WOW... Marquez with suspect ACNE all over chest [WEIGH IN]

[CubanGuyNYC]

I just think the scale of the cheating could be considered.

As for where we draw the line? That's like asking why Puerto Ricans keep punching people in the balls. No one knows.

Woah. I'm not even gonna touch the bold. lol

For all intents and purposes, the line is drawn where the line is drawn. We can argue about where it ought to be, but that's another matter. The sport determines what constitutes cheating. That cannot be debated without a change of rules. As fans, we are certainly entitled to our opinions. In the real world, you and I know that a habitual steroid cheat is more loathsome than an athlete who uses a relatively mild banned substance to recover from an injury.

[solo20]

so if you have acne its 100% proof you are a cheater base on what these so called Pac-craps and PED experts say BWWAHAHAHA
YOU GUYS NEED TO SHOW A TEST WHERE JMM FAILED

I WILL WAIT

[Dr Rumack]

Woah. I'm not even gonna touch the bold. lol

It's how they knew Garcia was really one of their own

[CubanGuyNYC]

so if you have acne its 100% proof you are a cheater base on what these so called Pac-craps and PED experts say BWWAHAHAHA
YOU GUYS NEED TO SHOW A TEST WHERE JMM FAILED

I WILL WAIT

You either neglected to read the appropriate posts, or your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. Several of us have said that acne on a 40 year old man is su****ious, not 100% condemning. It's the fact that there are other su****ious signs, where Marquez is concerned, that make the acne more a topic of debate. And you really believe all cheaters get caught?

[solo20]

I would but you got a red bar bro

but why you butthurt Pac is not a god

[CubanGuyNYC]

It's how they knew Garcia was really one of their own

lol Oh, man....

[Bigg Rigg]

It's how they knew Garcia was really one of their own

How dare u diss my guys for being dirty with Maidana as your sig??? Lol He just put in one of the dirtiest performances we've seen in yrs!!!

[solo20]

You either neglected to read the appropriate posts, or your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. Several of us have said that acne on a 40 year old man is su****ious, not 100% condemning. It's the fact that there are other su****ious signs, where Marquez is concerned, that make the acne more a topic of debate. And you really believe all cheaters get caught?

Like I said befor its all bullcrap theories SHOW ME PROOF A FAILED TEST ITS JUST LIKE PAC HE IS ALSO A SUSPECT OF CHEATING TOO AND NOW WE HEAR WHAT FREDDY HAS BEEN SAYING LATELY ABOUT THE SHAKES. YOU DONT SEE POSTER BASHING PAC ALL THE TIME LIKE THESE SICK NUTJOBS IN EVERY THREAD WHO CANT GET OVER THE FACT JMM BUT THERE GOD TO SLEEP.

IN THE END NONE OF THEM FAIELD A TEST.
its all about JMM haters and lame ass PED experts

[Dr Rumack]

Woah. I'm not even gonna touch the bold. lol

For all intents and purposes, the line is drawn where the line is drawn. We can argue about where it ought to be, but that's another matter. The sport determines what constitutes cheating. That cannot be debated without a change of rules. As fans, we are certainly entitled to our opinions. In the real world, you and I know that a habitual steroid cheat is more loathsome than an athlete who uses a relatively mild banned substance to recover from an injury.

I agree. I think the issue is that boxing is for the most part well behind the times in understanding these distinctions, and understanding the drug issue in general.

I think that does matter simply because serious dopers who go way beyond the pale are less likely to suffer the reputational consequences they should. Instead they're just regarded as 'another one' to add to the list, because the sport doesn't really register the difference between someone using epo and designer steroids and the guy who takes a strong caffeine supplement.

In most sports it wouldn't matter so much, because there are standardised protocols for dealing with drug cheats and people get banned from competitions. In boxing, a guy can be exposed as a doper, or even fail a test, and be back competing in a year or so because there's nobody with the power to deal with them as they should be dealt with.

Damage to reputation is all you really have to punish people in this sport. For that reason I think it genuninely does matter that people can see the difference between the high end guys and the dumbasses who get caught for something minor.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I agree. I think the issue is that boxing is for the most part well behind the times in understanding these distinctions, and understanding the drug issue in general.

I think that does matter simply because serious dopers who go way beyond the pale are less likely to suffer the reputational consequences they should. Instead they're just regarded as 'another one' to add to the list, because the sport doesn't really register the difference between someone using epo and designer steroids and the guy who takes a strong caffeine supplement.

In most sports it wouldn't matter so much, because there are standardised protocols for dealing with drug cheats and people get banned from competitions. In boxing, a guy can be exposed as a doper, or even fail a test, and be back competing in a year or so because there's nobody with the power to deal with them as they should be dealt with.

Damage to reputation is all you really have to punish people in this sport. For that reason I think it genuninely does matter that people can see the difference between the high end guys and the dumbasses who get caught for something minor.

The paragraph in bold is insightful. I think you're right; it's all we really have...and all we're ever likely to have. It's an indictment on the sport. Boxing, as an institution, is a joke. There is no worthwhile system in place to deal with a serious problem that's affecting all sports. Nor is there the money to deal with it. Would it even matter? The sport is built on corruption. Can a legacy like that bode well for positive change?