Dan Rafael: 800-900k buys for Mayweather-Maidana

[MDPopescu]

it's not a guarantee that a floyd-maidana rematch would generate more numbers. if floyd would bi,tch about gloves again it would just upset the fans that could lead to them not buying the fight.

funny how the floyd fanboys viewed that glove controversy as a marketing strategy by floyd though.

I'm afraid that together with the "glove incident" Floyd managed to undermine the PPV concept for good. Even if he agrees with pucher's gloves in the rematch, I think that the potential buyers will be afraid that Floyd comes up with another ****** trick in the last moment...

[Robbie Barrett]

It is kind of funny that some Floyd fans have defend the low ppv numbers by saying how much of a mismatch the fight was viewed as.

"It didn't sell well because it wasn't supposed to be a competitive fight."

"Mayweather fought a huge underdog, Pacquiao fought a ppv #3 fighter."

So, some people can defend the fighter or defend the businessman...tough to do both.

Every WW not named Pacquiao would have been a massive underdog. Mayweather sold 800,000+ against someone most people didn't think stood a chance. Then we have the fans of a fighter that was in a "competitive fight" on paper and sold less, coming in a thread saying the numbers are bad. WTF.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I'm afraid that together with the "glove incident" Floyd managed to undermine the PPV concept for good. Even if he agrees with pucher's gloves in the rematch, I think that the potential buyers will be afraid that Floyd comes up with another ****** trick in the last moment...

I know of a few guys who didn't buy because they said, "I'm just sick of all the bs floyd pulls. If its not one thing, its another."

Glovegate proved them right.


Its funny to see how the floyd minions try to justify it by saying its a marketing tactic. Seemingly everything he does, is a marketing tactic to them and its "genius".

[TOBYLEE1]

PPL are to used to one million plus sales. 800-900 is not a bad number, anything over 400,000 is not bad. Maidana is not a big star and not known.

Unless they need more than 1 million buys for Showtime to make money then they are in trouble because there is no other fighter to make big numbers other than Pac or the winner of Canelo/Martinez

[jcpryor]

I already broke that down numbers wise previously in this thread, go back a few pages.

And it's basic logic. $32 million guarantees and 800K buys don't mix. Several sources, including the head of Showtime Boxing himself say that 1.5 million is the magic number. With the exception of Canelo, Floyd's fights are doing about half that amount.

The guy who first reported the fight did 850K said GBP was busting out the red ink. Basic common sense here people.

I'm having a hard time understanding how ******ed someone has to be to think that someone saying that they'd be thrilled if a ppv does over 1.5 million buys means that they need that amount to break even/turn a profit.

Let me say this a different way:

If a company was ****** and irresponsible enough to give a fighter over $200 million over the course of a 6 fight contract, knowing ahead of time that each and every fight would have to, at the bare minimum, crack 1.5 million ppv buys to turn a profit, (something that is pretty hard to do regardless of who it is) don't they deserve to be put out of business? Who exactly would you blame if what you're asserting is true: Showtime or Mayweather?

[brick wall]

Every WW not named Pacquiao would have been a massive underdog. Mayweather sold 800,000+ against someone most people didn't think stood a chance. Then we have the fans of a fighter that was in a "competitive fight" on paper and sold less, coming in a thread saying the numbers are bad. WTF.

the numbers are bad because floyd was guaranteed $32 million...meaning he got overpaid that put the other parties involved to lose money.

also, floyd had a hand in choosing his undercard...he personally asked khan and broner to be his undercard which schaefer termed as the most expensive undercards to date but of course it added up to the losses.

it a harsh reality and it burns you but it is what it is.

[Check_hooks]

I'm having a hard time understanding how ******ed someone has to be to think that someone saying that they'd be thrilled if a ppv does over 1.5 million buys means that they need that amount to break even/turn a profit.

Let me say this a different way:

If a company was ****** and irresponsible enough to give a fighter over $200 million over the course of a 6 fight contract, knowing ahead of time that each and every fight would have to, at the bare minimum, crack 1.5 million ppv buys to turn a profit, (something that is pretty hard to do regardless of who it is) don't they deserve to be put out of business? Who exactly would you blame if what you're asserting is true: Showtime or Mayweather?

The answer to that question is SHO is to blame.

But that leads to another question, When SHO's boxing budget is bankrupt and can no longer put on cards for multiple weekends or even at all, who is to blame? In my opinion its Floyd.

[Mitchell Kane]

Every WW not named Pacquiao would have been a massive underdog. Mayweather sold 800,000+ against someone most people didn't think stood a chance. Then we have the fans of a fighter that was in a "competitive fight" on paper and sold less, coming in a thread saying the numbers are bad. WTF.

Well, he can go fight Shawn Porter or Keith Thurman and avoid the "mismatch" talk.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

2 weeks and still no number? Odd how the Canelo fight numbers came out in 5 days and that was the biggest money fight in history

Did you not read what Dan said? Moron.

[jcpryor]

The answer to that question is SHO is to blame.

But that leads to another question, When SHO's boxing budget is bankrupt and can no longer put on cards for multiple weekends or even at all, who is to blame? In my opinion its Floyd.

Lol. Humor me - how would it be Floyd's fault exactly?