who has the superior jab? wlad or pulev

[Weltschmerz]

No he doesnt and you wouldnt know because you don't know anything about boxing history.

You don't know shit about boxing.

[LacedUp]

I know enough about boxing history to know we ignore nearly all of the flaws, losses, bum beating streaks, etc of historical fighters and nitpick the smallest things about modern fighters in an attempt to look like "experts".

Aha, a 'modern' fan.

Let me guess, discounting skills, resume and overall abilities? It's a numbers game to you.

Winning against Leapai is the same as winning against Joe Frazier.
Or wait, Joe Frazier is a poor mans Sam Peter right?

Or is it weight that matters to you? Or height?

[LacedUp]

You don't know shit about boxing.

Maybe not, but I know more about it than you that's for sure.

Your answer to everything is "Wlad is the best in history".

[beez721]

Klitschko's jab is not on level with the very best jabs in history. Guys like Ali, Holmes, Liston and even Bowe.

Wlad paws with the jab too much. Exactly like Lennox Lewis.

I put them on the same level.

Does he have the ability to throw a great powerful jab? Absolutely. And so he did back in 02-04. Now it's a measuring stick mostly. His jab-right hand 10 years ago was a thing of beauty. But it didn't last long enough for me to call it the best in history by any stretch.

I agree with this. thats also why I cant put his jab quite up there with the above mnetioned guys. I dont know why he doesnt snap it out more consistently anymore. I remember being in awe of his jab during the shulz fight. hes never jabbed any better than during that fight

[Weltschmerz]

Maybe not, but I know more about it than you that's for sure.

Your answer to everything is "Wlad is the best in history".

No you don't.

And you're wrong, I appreciate the history and depth of boxing, but Wladimir is unique and you only deny so because of your love crush on Davey.

[LacedUp]

I agree with this. thats also why I cant put his jab quite up there with the above mnetioned guys. I dont know why he doesnt snap it out more consistently anymore. I remember being in awe of his jab during the shulz fight. hes never jabbed any better than during that fight

It's strange. I remember watching one of his replays on HBO a couple of years ago, don't remember who it was against - but he had an absolute piston like jab. Reminded me of a prime Tommy Hearns. It was that good. It had power, speed and delivery. And he followed with a monster right.

But the last 10 years it has been pawing and measuring - still very educated in the sense that he doesn't keep the left under his chin, but half way out. Very difficult for an opponent to figure out. But it's still not as good as a Liston jab, or as quick as a Ali/Holmes jab that really could dictate the fight and set up a right hand perfectly against the very best opposition.

No you don't.

And you're wrong, I appreciate the history and depth of boxing, but Wladimir is unique and you only deny so because of your love crush on Davey.

You might appreciate it, but you don't understand it. Not yet anyways, you need to go and read some more and watch some documentaries or something. I'd be happy to sort you out if you ask me nicely.

This has nothing to do with Haye, it's just a thing you can't get out of your mind because it's all it has room for. Which is why you send me daily gifts regarding him - two years after he's fought! Haha.

[Weltschmerz]

It's strange. I remember watching one of his replays on HBO a couple of years ago, don't remember who it was against - but he had an absolute piston like jab. Reminded me of a prime Tommy Hearns. It was that good. It had power, speed and delivery. And he followed with a monster right.

But the last 10 years it has been pawing and measuring - still very educated in the sense that he doesn't keep the left under his chin, but half way out. Very difficult for an opponent to figure out. But it's still not as good as a Liston jab, or as quick as a Ali/Holmes jab that really could dictate the fight and set up a right hand perfectly against the very best opposition.



You might appreciate it, but you don't understand it. Not yet anyways, you need to go and read some more and watch some documentaries or something. I'd be happy to sort you out if you ask me nicely.

This has nothing to do with Haye, it's just a thing you can't get out of your mind because it's all it has room for. Which is why you send me daily gifts regarding him - two years after he's fought! Haha.

I still like your quote that Haye takes Wlad, p4p.

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

Come on now. Wlad has the best jab in the division without a doubt. Pulev is overrated. He will get badly beat by Wlad.

Agreed on all points. Pulev is no better than Povetkin.

[PainfromUkraine]

It's strange. I remember watching one of his replays on HBO a couple of years ago, don't remember who it was against - but he had an absolute piston like jab. Reminded me of a prime Tommy Hearns. It was that good. It had power, speed and delivery. And he followed with a monster right.

Probably against Mercer.

[LacedUp]

I still like your quote that Haye takes Wlad, p4p.

I still stand by that 1 million %.