Mayweather-Maidana does 854,000 PPV buys?

[Evol]

Khan's fanbase has never had to purchase a ppv in the US, so the affect on US ppv sales, which is what we are discussing, is negligible at best. If he were a ppv fighter, he'd have been on ppv already.

If the Canelo fight was all canelo, why didn't he sell more than 350k with angulo? the crowd was pro canelo-same as the crows was pro JMM when he KO'd manny. IYO, does that fact suggest most of the ppv buys were because of JMM? My guess is, of course not.

There are always posters who will validate any ridiculous idea why floyd sells so long as they don't have to credit floyd.

its hard to credit someone when they havent really carry the cards all on their own. whether u want to admit it or not, theres a reason why GBP stacks floyd's under card. why would they do that for if floyd sells on his own? the canelo vs angulo will of course do less than floyd vs canelo. are u really bringing this up and comparing it? lmao!!

floyd vs canelo, all of canelo's fans wanted to tune in to see if canelo can beat floyd, canelo vs angulo, wtf is there to see that we dont already know?? if u want to use the canelo thing and saying it wasnt so much about him as to why floyd's number was better then why couldnt floyd generate close to it against guerrero and maidana?? and are u saying khan doesnt have any fans in the states?? LOL!!

[way2strong]

@TeamOcegueda Never heard an exact figure on Mayweather-Canelo, but about 1.8 million homes. Floyd-Guerrero did only 833,000 homes!!!

— Rick Glaser (@RickGlaser1) May 12, 2014

[Daddy T]

You and rumack could be right. But why IYO then do those "stacked undercard" fighters fail to sell huge on ppv or draw huge TV ratings when they fight without floyd?

kahn and broner both get pretty good ratings. A lot of people know their names if they are wondering if the fight is worth getting or not ... see a stacked undercard with names they recognize it could be enough to swing somebody who's not sure about buying to buying.

If you disagree then you must think floyd and showtime are fools for paying kahn and broner so much to be on the undercard. Can't have it both ways ... either they are fools and are wasting money stacking the card or it makes a worthwhile difference.

[Evol]

You and rumack could be right. But why IYO then do those "stacked undercard" fighters fail to sell huge on ppv or draw huge TV ratings when they fight without floyd?

because when they're match up against floyd it brings out more because now all of that fighter's fans will want to see it. for example, lets say khan fights bum, khan's number might not do well because most of khan's fans already know khan will beat bum, and if khan does beat bum it does nothing for him therefore most of his fans might not buy it, they'll still watch it but they wont support it. now if khan was match up against floyd, then now it changes everything because now all of khans fans will want to tune in to see if their fighter can beat floyd. its not that hard to understand this.

[Evol]

Could be of 2 things.

1. Marketing - Floyd's fights have way better marketing on a larger scale basis as oppose to headlining stacked undercard fighters on their own PPV which don't usually have the same machinery and budget as the bigger PPV events.

2. Packaging - Floyd's name plus other up and comers with initial fanbase could be a factor.

im going with # 2..

[sugarsmosley]

why are people upset

[way2strong]

why are people upset

another excuse down the drain "I can't fight manny because his ppv's don't sell" now that both there recent ppv's are in the same ballpark these guys have no choice but to go all out with bull****

[JDD1]

kahn and broner both get pretty good ratings. A lot of people know their names if they are wondering if the fight is worth getting or not ... see a stacked undercard with names they recognize it could be enough to swing somebody who's not sure about buying to buying.

If you disagree then you must think floyd and showtime are fools for paying kahn and broner so much to be on the undercard. Can't have it both ways ... either they are fools and are wasting money stacking the card or it makes a worthwhile difference.

WHat I think about the pay for undercard fighters is not related to why a fight may sell. If I diagree it in no way means I have to question undercard purses.

Putting on better undercard fights may be a result of the increase in overall ppv prices. Khan and Broner are names that people know, but I doubt their fans would pay that much to see either fight this level of comp.

I think it may attract more diehard boxing fans who, frustrated with the state of boxing, factor in value or "**** for the buck" to determine if they will buy a card.

Could be of 2 things.

1. Marketing - Floyd's fights have way better marketing on a larger scale basis as oppose to headlining stacked undercard fighters on their own PPV which don't usually have the same machinery and budget as the bigger PPV events.

2. Packaging - Floyd's name plus other up and comers with initial fanbase could be a factor. Without the other may break it.

For ghost and maidana there was no press tour so I would disagree. Obviously for canelo there was.

Would you have put Garcia v Matts on ppv by itself? If so, where do really think sales would be?

As for packaging, maybe. Lets say this is it. Then I told you Floyd was actually bigger than Tyson because King put Chavez sr. on Tyson's undercards and Chavez is the most beloved mexican fighter in history. would you think my arguement credible?

because when they're match up against floyd it brings out more because now all of that fighter's fans will want to see it. for example, lets say khan fights bum, khan's number might not do well because most of khan's fans already know khan will beat bum, and if khan does beat bum it does nothing for him therefore most of his fans might not buy it, they'll still watch it but they wont support it. now if khan was match up against floyd, then now it changes everything because now all of khans fans will want to tune in to see if their fighter can beat floyd. its not that hard to understand this.

Why are you using a hypothetical to answer a real life situation? In real life, Canelo didn't sell nearly what one would expect given the volume of sales for the floyd fight if, as many have claimed, he brought the bulk of sales.

[KnockoutKings]

if floyd retires, who will take his place as far as numbers?

NOBODY. I don't see anyone coming up, that would draw as much as Floyd or Manny. Those two transcended the sport. People who don't know boxing, know those two. People look down on PPV numbers under 1M for those guys because they are so use to seeing them do 1M+ buys.

[Evol]

WHat I think about the pay for undercard fighters is not related to why a fight may sell. If I diagree it in no way means I have to question undercard purses.

Putting on better undercard fights may be a result of the increase in overall ppv prices. Khan and Broner are names that people know, but I doubt there fans would pay that much to see either fight.

I think it may attract more boxing fans who use value to determine if they will buy a card.



For ghost and maidana there was no press tour so I wuld disagree. Obviously for canelo there was.

Would you have put Garcia v Matts on ppv by itself? If so, where do really think sales would be?

As for packaging, maybe. Lets say this is it. Then I told you Floyd was actually bigger than Tyson because King put Chavez on Tyson's undercards and Chjavez is the most beloved mexican fighter in history. would you think my arguement credible?



Why are you using a hypothetical to answer a real life situation? In real life, Canelo didn't sell nearly what one would expect given the volume of sales for the floyd fight if, as many have claimed, he brought the bulk of sales.

i just explained to u the reasons why. canelo hasnt fought anyone with a name as high as floyd therefore his numbers without floyd will not be as high as his numbers with floyd because with lesser name opponents, fans will not always support it. now if he's fighting a big name, possibly one of the biggest in boxing right now, this will bring out all of his fans to support it. floyd vs canelo, i'll say its an 80% ratio to 20 and im being fair here. 80% of the fans came for canelo and it was obvious during the ring walk in.