What does it say about Calzaghe that fans give him credit for Hopkins's achievements?

[I Love Jesus!]

Nobody is saying he gets credits for Hopkins wins, it just further solidifies that he did manage to beat a still very good ATG fighter whos legend grows with nearly every fight and that very few can say they have beaten.

The Jones win was smoke and mirrors though. That win means absolutely nothing and everyone knows it. Even the most ardent Calzaghe supporters.

Ya except he didn't beat Hopkins other then on paper. Anyone whos seen the fight knows that Calzaghe didn't even land any significant punches and got countered all night plus he got dropped. He was just getting credit for punches that didn't land. Its already been proven and unless you're very biased for Calzaghe you know that.

[Mike_R]

They fought a very good, close fight. I thought BHop won between the knockdown and the punch accuracy. It was definitely a close fight though. Joe Calzaghe's best win was probably prime Kessler.

BHop and Roy Jones were both unfortunately timed. He really should have fought the bigger names sooner, he wouldn't be criticized half as much as he is now if he had.

[I Love Jesus!]

I don't think he should get credit for Hopkins' achievements.

What I think is funny is how the impressions of the Calzaghe-Hopkins fight changed and were revised throughout time.

The initial line was that Calzaghe picked on a 42 year old man and would have never beaten him in his prime.

Then as Hopkins kept winning and beating younger guys, the theory was that Bernard was actually "robbed" in the fight and Calzaghe never actually beat him.

It's one of the biggest false controversies I've ever seen. The only controversy from that fight was how Hopkins was allowed to take two separate knees without being counted out.

Delusional post, people said it was a robbery right away, Why are you making stuff up? Actually I know why since you just tried to give Calzaghe credit for 2 low blows. Thats how bad Calzaghe was that night. His fans have to point to low blows as some kind of achievement. You arent the first to do it.

[Boxing Goat]

Ya except he didn't beat Hopkins other then on paper. Anyone whos seen the fight knows that Calzaghe didn't even land any significant punches and got countered all night plus he got dropped. He was just getting credit for punches that didn't land. Its already been proven and unless you're very biased for Calzaghe you know that.

I love Jesus too as I'm a christian but you have no idea whom I'm biased toward. I'm a Roy Jones fan and couldn't care less who won between them two. The fact is that I saw the fight live and several time since and the lasting impression that I had was that Hopkins got way out-landed and out-worked and lost 8 rounds to 4 with a swing round or two, while having to act like he got hit low with his veteran savy in order to survive the workrate. If Hopkins had not done that, he may not have been stopped but there certainly wouldn't have been another round to say he was in that he really didn't do anything significant.

[SnakeVen0m]

The win when they were both active is all that matters.

If BHop had been retired for 5+ years and Calzaghe stayed active, Joe would be the one pulverizing Hopkins so it's all relative.

My point exactly!!! He's not an ATG like Hopkins to continue to be active until close to 50 and still taking on young opposition and unifying belts. Joe decided to retire before some young guy finally snatched that 0.

[daggum]

I totally agree on this one. Hopkins had to feint injury to survive the fight due to Joe's workrate.

Those who think Joe lost should go back and try and find a round to give Hopkins in the second half of the fight. He didn't win **** from the 6th round on and had to have two breaks.

usually people blame the guy that throws the low blows but you blame the guy that gets hit with low blows. how dare you! take that shot to the nuts like a man and fight!

well the 7th round he almost floored calzaghe again and calzaghe didn't do anything in that round but i'm sure you will give it to calzaghe for outmissing hopkins. the 8th round was close and easily could have gone to hopkins. the 9th was clearly calzaghe's. the 10th was clearly hopkins. the 11th and 12th were both close. this doesn't even matter since the first 6 all could easily be given to hopkins.

[I Love Jesus!]

I say the opposite. It says more about Bernard cause he's still fighting while Joe is God knows where, probably bumping a line of coke off some skrippers ****.

If they were to step in the ring tomorrow. Bernard would wipe the floor with Joe at this age. What does that say about Joe since he's the younger of the two.

Very good point, I said that when they fought, Lets see how calzaghe would do if he was 42 years old? Calslappy fans huh, When will they learn?

[daggum]

I love Jesus too as I'm a christian but you have no idea whom I'm biased toward. I'm a Roy Jones fan and couldn't care less who won between them two. The fact is that I saw the fight live and several time since and the lasting impression that I had was that Hopkins got way out-landed and out-worked and lost 8 rounds to 4 with a swing round or two, while having to act like he got hit low with his veteran savvy in order to survive the workrate.
If Hopkins had not done that, he may not have been stopped hut there certainly wouldn't have been another round to say he was in that he really didn't do anything significant.

well facts trump your impressions. its well documented that hopkins outlanded calzaghe by far. slow motion breakdowns by multiple people all have hopkins widely outlanding calzaghe. just because you thought calzaghe was landing when he wasn't and just because you missed a lot of the punches hopkins landed doens't mean they didn't happen.

you keep showing your bias. having to act like he was hit low? he was hit low. just because you don't him taking time doens't mean he did something wrong. it's in the rules. A boxer who is hit with an accidental low blow has up to five minutes to recover. you know what's also in the rules? You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand. you can't throw punches with the inside of the gloves which is all calzaghe did yet you ignore that and focus on a guy taking time after being low blowed.

you are trying to play mind reader and you think that hopkins wasn't really hurt after getting hit low. if you were looking to nitpick and point out people cheating why do you ignore all the open handed slaps that calzaghe throws? those actually happened. you don't know if hopkins was really hurt and it doens't matter if he was hurt. the rules don't say well you can only take time after a low blow if the fans think you are hurt.

[I Love Jesus!]

well thats the closest possible score you could have in favor of calzaghe and that's being very generous. the rounds that people give him are usually the "well he did a little better in that round and hopkins didn't hit him that much so i guess i will give that round to calzaghe." if they looked at each round in a vacuum they wouldn't have that attitude and would score it wider for hopkins since he was doing all the clean punching and had the much better defense. coming forward and missing doesn't really mean anything when scoring boxing matches.

why couldn't he hit hopkins? because hopkins' defense was so good? advantage hopkins right? i mean defense is a scoring criteria while throwing punches and missing punches is not.

why wasn't calzaghe able to pin hopkins on the ropes even once during the fight? every time he tried hopkins countered him or avoided his punches easily and moved away. the few clean punches he did land were when they were in the center of the ring. otherwise he was just walking into punches and desperately flailing.

also calzaghe should have been dq'd since You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand and that's all he did during the fight from start to finish. so calzaghe broke the rules probably 500-600 times and still couldn't beat hopkins. imagine if he had to actually follow the rules and throw real punches? he would be a walking punch bag like shumenov and he knows it. throwing slappy punches with the side of the glove is the only thing that made him awkward because fighters don't train for punches coming from those angles since it's illegal.

In calzaghe land hitting air is just as good as hitting flesh, almost having enough money for lunch is ok, and thinking about doing something is close enough to actually doing it.

You know that old saying almost isn't good enough? Yeah, well they've never heard that one and don't intend to.

[Godsfly]

They fought a very good, close fight. I thought BHop won between the knockdown and the punch accuracy. It was definitely a close fight though. Joe Calzaghe's best win was probably prime Kessler.

BHop and Roy Jones were both unfortunately timed. He really should have fought the bigger names sooner, he wouldn't be criticized half as much as he is now if he had.

so true..............people are saying "hopkins wasn't old. he was still around his prime" hopkins was actually past prime in that fight and his stamina had greatly decreased from 4 years Pryor to fighting calzaghe. when you start to move on hopkins with your legs his age greatly shows............(thats the key)

he was past prime fighting joe & it was a perfectly timed match from joe (the same for jones) and even with that hopkins still beat him on my card..........