Roach admits it was pacquiao's fault the mayweather fight never happened...

[DeadLikeMe]

He demands testing, and says he'll get the fight if the demands are accepted.... then now that testing demands are approved by team Pac he says as long as Pac is with Arum the fight will never happen.... why wasn't Arum a factor in 09/10?????



Yet more bollocks from Mayweather that the tards continue to believe. Now all you can here is the tards crying about Pac needing to leave Arum not ''take da test'' because he has accepted those demands... they've really convinced themselves that Arum is the reason that the fight is not happening, depsite there being no demands for Arum's expulsion in 09/10

I dont like the stance either, but Mayweather is using his leverage as the far and away biggest star in the sport. Using leverage in negotiaing is something every other boxing star in history has done, including Manny making everyone join Top Rank to fight him. Why is it only bad for Mayweather to leverage his stardom now, when Pacquiao using leverage was the only reason this fight didn't happen in 09/10? Prominent members of Team Pacquiao have admitted it was Team Pacquiao's fault the fight didn't happen in 09/10, what further evidence is even needed? I know it shatters everything you guys have spent 4 years arguing and I'm sure you're all very upset.

Who's your coach? Freddie Roach.
Who's your coach? Freddie Roach.

[Resilient]

I dont like the stance either, but Mayweather is using his leverage as the far and away biggest star in the sport. Using leverage in negotiaing is something every other boxing star in history has done, including Manny making everyone join Top Rank to fight him. Why is it only bad for Mayweather to leverage his stardom now, when Pacquiao using leverage was the only reason this fight didn't happen in 09/10? Prominent members of Team Pacquiao have admitted it was Team Pacquiao's fault the fight didn't happen in 09/10, what further evidence is even needed? I know it shatters everything you guys have spent 4 years arguing and I'm sure you're all very upset.

Who's your coach? Freddie Roach.
Who's your coach? Freddie Roach.

Manny's team is far from blameless, but to try and act like it's all Manny or all floyd is ridiculous. I

And that's not leverage it's BS, it's the biggest money fight to be made and squabbling over promoters is ridiculous.

[DeadLikeMe]

Manny's team is far from blameless, but to try and act like it's all Manny or all floyd is ridiculous. I

And that's not leverage it's BS, it's the biggest money fight to be made and squabbling over promoters is ridiculous.

Only the most idiotic Floyd fans 100% blame Manny and they are openly mocked by all. Like half the Pac fans 100% blame Floyd and we are supposed to treat their equally ****** positions as valid? Team Pacquiao has admitted most of the blame for 09/10 falls on them, specifically on Arum (per Ariza) and even Pacquiao himself (per Roach). What are people even in this thread arguing? Anyone with even 1/10th of a functional brain has blamed both parties for denying us this fight. The only people who don't are idiots, I'm sure you can agree.

[Resilient]

Only the most idiotic Floyd fans 100% blame Manny and they are openly mocked by all. Like half the Pac fans 100% blame Floyd and we are supposed to treat their equally ****** positions as valid? Team Pacquiao has admitted most of the blame for 09/10 falls on them, specifically on Arum (per Ariza) and even Pacquiao himself (per Roach). What are people even in this thread arguing? Anyone with even 1/10th of a functional brain has blamed both parties for denying us this fight. The only people who don't are idiots, I'm sure you can agree.

Both were to blame before but right now only one fighter is holding the fight up and it's not Manny.

[DeadLikeMe]

Both were to blame before but right now only one fighter is holding the fight up and it's not Manny.

What is Floyd supposed to do though, just give Arum/Pac whatever the hell they want? He's the clear top dog now. If the numbers for Manny's last fight are accurate, Floyd's last fight has sold about the same as Manny's last three fights combined. Does that sound like someone who deserves 50/50 or anything even remotely close to it to you? Floyd is the only boxing superstar in history who is expected to handicap himself for it rather than use it to his benefit.

[Resilient]

What is Floyd supposed to do though, just give Arum/Pac whatever the hell they want? He's the clear top dog now. If the numbers for Manny's last fight are accurate, Floyd's last fight has sold about the same as Manny's last three fights combined. Does that sound like someone who deserves 50/50 or anything even remotely close to it to you? Floyd is the only boxing superstar in history who is expected to handicap himself for it rather than use it to his benefit.

They won't demand 50/50 though.. And I'm sure Floyd's opponents and the fighter's he's had on his undercards have nothing to do with his ppv numbers. Floyd's drawing power is reliant on having a big popular opponent. His numbers for the Guerrero fight were **** because Guerrero has a small fanbase. You act as if Floyd's the sole main drawing power in all his fights I bet he was solely responsible for the Oscar and Canelo buys... smh. If he faces Pac anything less than a 40/60 split in Floyd's favour is not acceptable. and Floyd's numbers against Bradley would be no different to Pac's.

[TonitosWay]

Roach confirmed what we already knew; its all just a big game of chicken between Arum & Mayweather.

[jcpryor]

He demands testing, and says he'll get the fight if the demands are accepted.... then now that testing demands are approved by team Pac he says as long as Pac is with Arum the fight will never happen.... why wasn't Arum a factor in 09/10?????



Yet more bollocks from Mayweather that the tards continue to believe. Now all you can here is the tards crying about Pac needing to leave Arum not ''take da test'' because he has accepted those demands... they've really convinced themselves that Arum is the reason that the fight is not happening, depsite there being no demands for Arum's expulsion in 09/10

This has been beaten completely to death for the last year, responded to countless times, and yet you post this babble as if its some kind of trump card that no one has the answer to. Lol.

You have absolutely no idea what Pacquiao's camp has or hasn't agreed to because neither side has had any "REAL" negotiations since 2009. You can't take the majority of what either side says through the media seriously. Pacquiao's team will say whatever they think their fans want to hear and Mayweather will say things clearly designed to piss people off.

Pacquiao's camp keeps talking about how they have agreed to all of Mayweather's terms, right? Then why hasn't Bob Arum, the promoter that Pacquiao constantly says is in charge of who he fights - after every ****ing fight - ever contacted Mayweather's camp and attempt to legitimately make the fight happen?

Why has it been Mayweather's camp that has LEGITIMATELY tried to contact Pacquiao's camp twice since 2009 and make the fight happen? Why did Arum's camp say in public that they were looking to fight Mayweather, but when they were contacted directly about it say that they were pursuing a Marquez fight instead?

Why is it that when Mayweather, for a third time, attempted to reach out to Pacquaio about a fight, did Arum say that Pacquiao had a cut that wouldn't heal before Mayweather went to jail and that he wanted to build a stadium that wouldn't be ready until the summer, when he knew that Mayweather would be in jail?

Why is it that Mayweather had an offer for Pacquiao that he turned down (after speaking to Arum/Konz) and hung up the phone without attempting to negotiate a better deal?

Those are facts. That actually HAPPENED. I'm not using random quotes said over the course of the last 5 years from PROMOTERS that will use ridiculous rhetoric to position themselves. I'm pointing out actual events that took place that were legitimate attempts to make the fight happen - all initiated by Mayweather's team, not Pacquiao's, who claim to badly want the fight to happen.

Can you name a time since 2009 where Pacquiao's camp has tried to negotiate with Mayweather's camp in good faith? When was it?

[Resilient]

This has been beaten completely to death for the last year, responded to countless times, and yet you post this babble as if its some kind of trump card that no one has the answer to. Lol.

You have absolutely no idea what Pacquiao's camp has or hasn't agreed to because neither side has had any "REAL" negotiations since 2009. You can't take the majority of what either side says through the media seriously. Pacquiao's team will say whatever they think their fans want to hear and Mayweather will say things clearly designed to piss people off.

Pacquiao's camp keeps talking about how they have agreed to all of Mayweather's terms, right? Then why hasn't Bob Arum, the promoter that Pacquiao constantly says is in charge of who he fights - after every ****ing fight - ever contacted Mayweather's camp and attempt to legitimately make the fight happen?

Why has it been Mayweather's camp that has LEGITIMATELY tried to contact Pacquiao's camp twice since 2009 and make the fight happen? Why did Arum's camp say in public that they were looking to fight Mayweather, but when they were contacted directly about it say that they were pursuing a Marquez fight instead?

Why is it that when Mayweather, for a third time, attempted to reach out to Pacquaio about a fight, did Arum say that Pacquiao had a cut that wouldn't heal before Mayweather went to jail and that he wanted to build a stadium that wouldn't be ready until the summer, when he knew that Mayweather would be in jail?

Why is it that Mayweather had an offer for Pacquiao that he turned down (after speaking to Arum/Konz) and hung up the phone without attempting to negotiate a better deal?

Those are facts. That actually HAPPENED. I'm not using random quotes said over the course of the last 5 years from PROMOTERS that will use ridiculous rhetoric to position themselves. I'm pointing out actual events that took place that were legitimate attempts to make the fight happen - all initiated by Mayweather's team, not Pacquiao's, who claim to badly want the fight to happen.

Can you name a time since 2009 where Pacquiao's camp has tried to negotiate with Mayweather's camp in good faith? When was it?

Cool. I'm not a journalist I don't keep a record of all the times they contact each other, for all we know they could have reached out but not publicised that they had done so.

And the offer Mayweather gave to Pacquiao was not fair irrespective of whether it would be Pac's biggest payday.

[arraamis]

That's right Guys!!! Keep it going

I wanna see if this thread hits 1K posts