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A fighter gets knocked out or loses a match and in your mind that automatically reduces their greatness. SMH. Give me a fighter who suffers a loss and see how he comes back from defeat and that my friend speaks volume about a fighter's character. Without even probing too much, just looking at your comments, I can already tell you adore Floyd and while you might be a floyd fan, your comments suggests to me that you are more of a Floydiot (those who buy Floyd propaganda aimed at discrediting other fighters) than a Floyd fan. Don't get me, it is a great accomplishment to be undefeated but if you are undefeated, more likely than not, you avoided several risks along the way. The greatest in any era never left the sport undefeated and am not talking those who stayed too long in the sport so that should tell you something. For example, Sugar Ray Robinson (greatest of all time had 19 losses), Ray Lenard (arguably the greatest in his era has 3 losses), Muhammed Ali, (the best heavy weight of all time has 5 losses) but yet their places in history stood over the years. It is a shame that boxing has lost its grassroot because of all the sideshow that is now associated with it but the real fans still understand what constitutes a good, great and an all time great fighter and Manny Pacquaio, my friend, is an all time great. He has transcended time, he has stayed at the top and still relevant after 15 years and while he might be outside his prime, he is still good enough to beat very good fighters even after getting brutally knocked out. Remove your bias for a minute and give credit where credit is due. By the way, I consider Floyd an all time great as well just for some of the same reasons.Last edited by Hands of Stone; 04-14-2014, 12:23 PM.Comment
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Amen. Roberto Duran suffered what may well be the worst knock out I have ever seen a hall of fame boxer suffer when Hearns tattooed him in the second round of their fight. And that was after getting pummeled by hearns in the first round. That being said, Duran is one of the greatest boxers in the past 50 years--more highly regarded that Floyd Mayweather by boxing experts, that is for certain. Same can be said of Roy Jones Jr and his KO loss to Tarver. Yet, even after that loss Kevin Iole had Roy as his greatest boxer of the past 25 years. Floyd was something like 12 on that list. If you fight long enough you'll lose and eventually get KO'd. Especially if you fight the best competition. And you can't give that much weight to who you lost to--styles make fights. How else do you explain Muhammed Ali's ridiculous struggles against Ken Norton? Many people think Ali lost to him all three times they fought. If you had seen Norton against Foreman (or Frazier against Foreman), you'd have thought he was a journeyman with a glass chin. Yet he broke Ali's jaw and put him in the hospital.Comment
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Yes. Similar to all the Vitale Klitschko people that say, well, if they hadn't stopped his fight versus Lennox Lewis, Vitale would have won the fight--he was up on the scorecards. Last I checked, Lennox did that to Vitale's face and that is all part of boxing. If you get injured--by punch or because you are stumbling, off balance because of your opponent's speed, you fight through it. it is part of the game. You never heard old timers complain about these things. In fact, I don't think Tommy Hearns ever said a word about breaking his hand in the first round of his fight against Hagler. He just ****** it up and said he got KO'd. That is class.Comment
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