Weight while we're talking about Chavez...

[RubenSonny]

Other than Margarito, I wouldn't say anyone there relied on their size the way Chavez has. If Chavez can make the weight, I don't have a problem, but I'm also not going to ignore that it's the main reason for his success.

He shouldn't be singled out, all those guys benefitted from well at least in the short term, they took advantage just as he does. His success has mostly been from fighting sub par opposition. I don't blame fighters for taking advantage I blame the rules that allow them.

[RubenSonny]

Fight night weight is always discussed.

Canelo has been criticized for the Lopez fight. But he also fought Trout and Angulo. Both weighed as much or more than Canelo.

Only fight even close to Jr's weight was Andy Lee.

No one has got the criticism Chavez has got, people were going on about Martinez facing a cruiserweight but really there was about 10 pounds between them on fight night.

[Larry the boss]

Once?

Mayweather came in overweight once too, takes painkillers, a history of other fighters have bent the rules much worse than Chavez for taking a laxative.

Floyd has never i repeat never missed the divisional weight limit..What Chavez did in the 1st Vera fight was disgusting,not to mention he was caught using dietetics and also weed

[Larry the boss]

No one has got the criticism Chavez has got, people were going on about Martinez facing a cruiserweight but really there was about 10 pounds between them on fight night.

chavez was round 180-190..martinez is always between 165-170

[STEELHEAD]

He was caught using diuretics, they're banned not because they help you lose weight (as they're also banned in athletics) but because they are used as a masking agents for steroids and other PEDS.

i know for a fact some boxers use furosemide(lasics) to loose water weight.

[way2strong]

Anyone can fight like Hopkins Ward or Rigo??? and they are pu22ies????? wow,just wow

you talk **** about pacquiao being done and washed up because he outboxed rios and won every round but you say other guys are the greatest for doing what pacman did better

[Larry the boss]

you talk **** about pacquiao being done and washed up because he outboxed rios and won every round but you say other guys are the greatest for doing what pacman did better

When have i ever praised anyone for beating a guy who was 1-1 in a division below and never fought in a division another fighter dominated them at?? Rios was not a great fighter period in any division

[Ryn0]

i know for a fact some boxers use furosemide(lasics) to loose water weight.

That may be the case, but the reason they are banned in athletics are because of there use as a masking agent not because they help you lose weight.

I didn't say they didn't help you lose water weight, but they can and do mask other agents which is why they are banned.

[LA_2_Vegas]

The thing is that every time that JR appears to be turning the page, and skeptics might be ready to hop on board..he ****s it up.Then people are able to point to the nepotism they believe got him this far in the first place.

Even that 12th round against Vera II turned the crowd in an instant.

I am a fan of his, but it has been hard to attempt to argue against any of the points. diuretics, weigh stipulations, DUI in training camp, training at home in between blunt sessions. Look at all that baggage

it seems like more people are starting to respect him in the ring, but he still has a ways to go to convince the majority. Lately he's been shedding fans, not gaining them

[RubenSonny]

chavez was round 180-190..martinez is always between 165-170

I believe in that fight Martinez was 170 and Chavez 180.