Opinions on Rubin "Hurricane" Carter's Guilt/Innocence

[Richard Wadd]

okay, we all know the movie was filled with nonsense and that carter wasn't the upstanding citizen that Denzel was in the movie.

but that in itself doesn't make mean he was a murderer.

you have these articles and website saying that he was really guilty, and other sordid stories about him. how reliable and objective are they?

who has studied the case in depth?

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

http://members.shaw.ca/cartermyths/cartercredibility.htm

http://www.weirdrepublic.com/episode15.htm

http://members.shaw.ca/cartermyths/carteralibi.htm

[paulf]

AJ Liebling wrote about him and his managers in great depth while he was a pro. I don't have an opinion on his guilt or innocence (sound sguilty due to being past but what do I know?), but what I found so offensive about the movie was the implication that he was this incredible fighter who had everything taken for him.

There wasn't a keener eye when it came to telling the good from the hype than Liebling, who described him as a talentless hype jobn, built to be cashed in on a title shot. His Boxrec record agrees.

[CTC JOHNNY]

The Man was a warrior point blank period !!! The Racism of his day vs the Racism present day !!! Jack Johnson was the first black Heavyweight champion of the world!!! Laws was changed on behalf of what this man was doing in a boxing ring!! Hate for Blacks is as American as Apple Pie!!! I know my History !!

[Dr Rumack]

AJ Liebling wrote about him and his managers in great depth while he was a pro. I don't have an opinion on his guilt or innocence (sound sguilty due to being past but what do I know?), but what I found so offensive about the movie was the implication that he was this incredible fighter who had everything taken for him.

There wasn't a keener eye when it came to telling the good from the hype than Liebling, who described him as a talentless hype jobn, built to be cashed in on a title shot. His Boxrec record agrees.

George Kimball said pretty much the same thing.

From what I've read it does seem like he actually was guilty, but I don't really know enough about the case to say that with any degree of confidence.

[Cardinal Buck]

Guilty


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I actually saw him speak at my brother's teachers college graduation in Toronto when he got his masters of ed. (From an Australian university that did a full class of Canadians and held the grad here.) He apparently lives here in Toronto now. He seemed like a really humble and eloquent speaker from what I remember. The CBC (our national public broadcaster) reported he was very near death from terminal prostate cancer the last I heard.

[kardsufur]

The Man was a warrior point blank period !!! The Racism of his day vs the Racism present day !!! Jack Johnson was the first black Heavyweight champion of the world!!! Laws was changed on behalf of what this man was doing in a boxing ring!! Hate for Blacks is as American as Apple Pie!!! I know my History !!

shut up you garbage racist

[Derranged]

As for the movie:

Does anyone else find it really fucking weird that those Canadians literally dedicated their lives towards fighting for his innocence? I mean I realize Canadians have a reputation for being generous but I mean give me a break, that was ridiculous.

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Does anyone else find it really fucking weird that those Canadians literally dedicated their lives towards fighting for his innocence? I mean I realize Canadians have a reputation for being generous but I mean give me a break, that was ridiculous.

Movies are movies, but Canada has a very different history of race and economic relations. The British Empire got rid of slavery a lot earlier. (That's what Caribana is.) Canada was the end of the underground railroad. Our Natives fought with the Crown against the evil Americans . There was much less of a history state backed racism at all levels of government. There are higher minimum wages, less inequality, butter public services, and less wild variation in the quality of public education. Black inner city culture and problems is more of a cultural import here than a necessary fact of life.

Watching Americans do crazy or mean hearted stuff is something that will rile up many Canadians (or make many of us roll our eyes). This thing is that we can seldom do anything about it. I think in the case of trying to help one man, it's something we might actually be able to do, which would be empowering to those involved.

That's not to say that there is no racism in Canada. The primary antagonism here was between White English (mostly protestants), White French (mostly Catholics), Natives, and to a lesser extent a broader Catholic underclass. Blacks did and do suffer racism, but it was far less institutional and not something you'd go on about in good company. Today there is a fair bit of antagonism between White French Quebecois and Black French Haitians. In English Canada there is often some friction with the Somali (and other African ******) community. But all and all Canada really isn't the US.

The issue is a little personal for me as I'm a white english guy from rural Northern Ontario, from a town with 0 black people. I settled in Southern Ontario, in Toronto. The woman I've been with for years, and I live with, is black, english, was born in Canada to first generation black Guyanese parents in Montreal. In many years of dating she's had very few 'black people problems', and we've never had a problem in rural Northern Ontario (where there are few black people), Toronto, or Montreal. She's had trouble with inner city blacks in the US, and we've had an issue with some "Good 'Ol Boy" 'Muricans, but nothing really with Canadians north of the border. I'm sure those people are around, but they apparently keep that **** to themselves (knock wood).

[CTC JOHNNY]

shut up you garbage racist

RACIST!!!! You must don't know the history of Black People in America!!! I