Does anyone throw the pull-back counter right hand to the jab better than Mayweather?

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  • JTfloyd
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    #11
    Originally posted by LarryXXX
    Current fighter??? HELL NO

    But James Toney, Ali and Archie Moore were damn good at it as well
    Indeed. It's amazing that even the faded, heavyweight, C Cup having version of Toney was able to land that counter-right with regularity.

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    • jas
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      #12
      Originally posted by DempseyRollin
      I've heard other ppl say that as well. Thing is fighters don't look at each other's feet when they box. It's not really a tell. It's one that works for couch boxers but I real life it serves no purpose. If Ur dumb enough to watch someone's feet while boxing u''ve already lost.
      Hopkins looks at fighters' legs. He said he looked at Trinidad's legs throughout the fight to see when he was set.

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      • Kagami Taiga
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        #13
        Originally posted by jas
        Hopkins looks at fighters' legs. He said he looked at Trinidad's legs throughout the fight to see when he was set.
        Bernard Hopkins fights with his head down and guard around his ears. There are always exceptions to rules. Hopkins is far from a normal fighter tho. He's a master within his own right.

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        • Russian Crushin
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          #14
          Ward is good at it too, but he lands elbows and butts instead



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          • Doctor_Tenma
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            #15
            Deserves a mention

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            • Beercules
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              #16
              I will give the Floyd fans this one; nobody does the pull counter better than Floyd

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              • noStylez
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                #17
                It's beautiful, so fluid. Floyd knows distance and timing.

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                • Larry the boss
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by jas
                  exactly...
                  Originally posted by DempseyRollin
                  Floyd has the best counter right in the game. It's been that way for years. I've never really seen anyone figure that punch out.
                  cotto stopped it,because he jumps in with his jab

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                  • Espy
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by jas
                    i noticed he changes his stance when he's ready to throw the right lead. he turns his back foot
                    Yeah he definitely does.

                    I think opposing fighters know it is coming too. George Foreman (I believe) in one of Floyd's fights said about this stance: "it looks like he's a sprinter. looks like he's a sprinter on his mark." (something to this effect)

                    I think it's just incredibly hard to deal with Mayweather's reflexes and baiting with the constant head fakes. I realized that if a fighter doesn't commit to punching when Mayweather head fakes in this position that he will just start teeing off with lead rights.

                    The reason his pull counter is so effective is distance. Before he settles into this distance he gets off first almost every time forcing fighters to be aggressive to his feints and head fakes. That's why he's so frustrating, he beats you to the punch, then gives you different looks that seem more enticing and counters off these looks.

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                    • Shadow boxer 3
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
                      Deserves a mention

                      carrot top got countered to death, you'd think he would have just stoped throwing that lazy jab

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