Comments Thread For: Danny Garcia-Mauricio Herrera: Post-Fight Report Card

[bojangles1987]

No question. I just want to make it clear I was illustrating a point, not specifically commenting on Herrera's jabbing. A good, stiff jab can be a power shot unto itself. Some guys seem to think they're necessarily pitty-pat punches. Larry Holmes used to deliver pile-driver jabs. And it's not unheard of for someone to go down from a nice power-jab, as with Cotto-Clottey.

Reading the posts around here, it's evident that many (maybe even most) people on these forums, don't know how to score a fight. I certainly don't know as much about the sport as some of the guys around here (as yourself) but I at least understand the way fights are supposed to be scored. If we were talking about baseball, some of these cats would be awarding runs for balls hit really, really hard...right into a fielder's glove.

I wouldn't say most people don't know how to score. Just look at the polls, like 80% of NSB scored it for Herrera. We all know.

[rey guey]

Herrera won that fight plain and simple. if you are being absolutely generous than a draw but Garcia in no way won that fight.

I understand that Puerto Rican boxing is in the toilet but are Ricans so desperate for a winner that they'd try to justify a flat out robbery.

it's just a reflection of the sad state of PR boxing.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I wouldn't say most people don't know how to score. Just look at the polls, like 80% of NSB scored it for Herrera. We all know.

I think what Cuban meant was HOW people score the fights. Some just disregard the jab for example, or take one hard shot over 5 not so hard shots.

[bojangles1987]

I think what Cuban meant was HOW people score the fights. Some just disregard the jab for example, or take one hard shot over 5 not so hard shots.

Those same people will turn around and score a fight for Garcia if his jab wins him his next fight. Bad scoring usually comes down to bias, I think. I've done the same thing at various points, we all have.

[CubanGuyNYC]

You are one of my favorite posters here without a doubt. You are one of the very few I can have a conversation about boxing and it not be a biased point of view.

The jab is the most important punch in boxing and we saw why. It's the same reason a lot of fans don't understand why Herrera was able to push Danny back, yet the big hitter Mathysse wasn't.

It's because that jab changes everything. He was just bouncing it off of Danny's nose at will, forcing him to become less aggressive and changing his game plan.

Also I have to say, his father was giving him horrible advice in the corner IMO. Telling him to bend his knees. I don't want to sound like I know everything about boxing, but that was a very simplistic view as to what was going on.

He was loading up on the left hook and not setting it up with anything. IMO I think he should have told Danny to jab more, and throw the right hand to the chest, following it up with lighter, faster combinations. Loading up made him miss and then not be able to recover from those shots. Jabbing, touching him and then giving Herrera a "change up" would have been more effective.

Danny isn't the same fighter going backwards, we saw that.

Thanks Cuauh. You already know how much I respect your opinions, both in and out of boxing.

The jab is the most important punch in boxing, and it's effective use has won many a fight. Buster Douglas was able to pull off one of the most shocking upsets in boxing history by keeping Tyson at the end of his jab, and Herrera surprised a lot of people with it this past weekend.

Many trainers seem to fall short when it comes to advising their fighters in-between rounds. Maybe it's the excitement of the moment, maybe they're just clueless. I remember Robert Garcia giving Donaire useless advise during the Rigo fight. In all fairness, it's got to be difficult to adjust to something you simply didn't (or couldn't) prepare for in the gym. Danny's a pretty smart fighter. If he was at a loss, I doubt his father could've offered something better. But, I agree, a bad plan is better than no plan at all. "Bend your knees" is just hot air.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I wouldn't say most people don't know how to score. Just look at the polls, like 80% of NSB scored it for Herrera. We all know.

Those same people will turn around and score a fight for Garcia if his jab wins him his next fight. Bad scoring usually comes down to bias, I think. I've done the same thing at various points, we all have.

I was impressed that so many people scored it for Herrera, but that doesn't change my opinion. I still think that "many, maybe even most" people here don't know how to properly score a fight. I made that statement based on the many posts I've read here over the years. Regardless of whether the polls were right or not, I'm certain bias played a role in the voting. It's one thing to pick the right winner; it's another to pick him for the right reasons. For starters, Danny is one of the most disliked fighters here. My respect to the Puerto Rican Garcia supporters who called it for Herrera.

[Beercules]

Garcia won that fight no doubt !!i wasn't easy but he did enough to win!Herrera the tipe of fighter make everybody look bad!

Get your head out of your ass

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Thanks Cuauh. You already know how much I respect your opinions, both in and out of boxing.

The jab is the most important punch in boxing, and it's effective use has won many a fight. Buster Douglas was able to pull off one of the most shocking upsets in boxing history by keeping Tyson at the end of his jab, and Herrera surprised a lot of people with it this past weekend.

Many trainers seem to fall short when it comes to advising their fighters in-between rounds. Maybe it's the excitement of the moment, maybe they're just clueless. I remember Robert Garcia giving Donaire useless advise during the Rigo fight. In all fairness, it's got to be difficult to adjust to something you simply didn't (or couldn't) prepare for in the gym. Danny's a pretty smart fighter. If he was at a loss, I doubt his father could've offered something better. But, I agree, a bad plan is better than no plan at all. "Bend your knees" is just hot air.

You make a good point and I have worked many a corner where I just was at a loss of words because everything I was telling my fighter fell on deaf ears.

I just think he failed in because of what he admitted to after the fight. I can't find the video, but there's a video of someone interviewing him after the Herrera fight where he said that the damage was caused by headbutts, and that he never looks at films of other fighters.

WHAT?!??! So your son in a world champ, you know that every fighter you face will prepare the best because it's the biggest fight of their lives, and you don't watch film?

You have to study your opponent, especially if it's one you aren't familiar with. In defense of Robert Garcia, he didn't train Donaire for that fight your talking about. Donaire would come in towards the end of his training camp and finish with Robert.

[Corelone]

Light at the end of the tunnel. Sniper Pedraza will end the drought.

[cabalas]

Herrera won that fight plain and simple. if you are being absolutely generous than a draw but Garcia in no way won that fight.

I understand that Puerto Rican boxing is in the toilet but are Ricans so desperate for a winner that they'd try to justify a flat out robbery.

it's just a reflection of the sad state of PR boxing.

Great post.