Comments Thread For: Insider Notebook: Mayweather-Maidana, Khan, Golovkin

[JFalu]

I hope Golovkin critics who comment regarding the fighters he has faced take the time to read the bottom portion of this article. And understand the difficulty some fighters face with finding opponents. Tough business.

[rasdun]

Floyd cuts off the ring? That's news to me!

exactly -when has floyd ever cut of the ring. Although I understand that Khan didn't really "deserve" the fight, you could make the same argument about Maiadana - who lost to Khan, went life and death with a completely shot Morales, got completely schooled by Alexander, and then beat two blown up lightwieghts -- Loseito lopez and Broner.
I think Khan's combination of speed and boxing wouldve been a little different look for Mayweather - Judah caused some problems for Mayweather over the 1st half of the fight using speed and boxing.
I realize Khan hasnt looked as good the past couple of yrs - but he got a bogus point deducted vs Peterson and still shouldve gotten that decision; vs Garcia, he was winning the fight before being caught.
Before That, Khan beat Kotelnick, Malignaggi, and Judah as well as Maidana, and I think has the better overall resume by far. I know this port is what have you done for me lately - but it's not like Khan beat Maiadna 5 years ago

[hitking]

I hope Golovkin critics who comment regarding the fighters he has faced take the time to read the bottom portion of this article. And understand the difficulty some fighters face with finding opponents. Tough business.

Who has GGG fought that is as good as Maidana?

[amayseng]

Here's why....

Canelo really disappointed me in that fight. You saw he had the power to trouble Mayweather - he lands that body combination with a left hook to the body and a right cross crushing Mayweather's arm and Floyd is complaining about his arm hurting at the end of the fight ("oh it must have collided with something" - nice bluff). However in that combination, Mayweather counters with a good shot to the head, and Canelo is discouraged. He doesn't do anything like it again. Disappointingly, despite being a stone heavier, rather than pressure Floyd and accept that he'll get hit but has the youth/weight/strength to win a battle of exchanges, Canelo backed off and opted to try to catch Mayweather - one of the most braindead strategies ever to enter a ring. "Let's outbox the best technical boxer of the last 15 years, if not all time."

Maidana won't be discouraged. He'll eat shots and then throw more. You saw it vs Broner. Broner would land a punch and a Maidana bomb comes back. Now we know Mayweather is the master of hit and move, so how Maidana deals with that will be fascinating - but we know Maidana won't try to outbox Floyd, nor will he do a Guerrero and stop pressuring just because he got tagged a few times on the way in. Maidana will fight more like Ortiz - and that's a good thing. Ortiz, before his temperament blew, was fighting how you need to fight Mayweather - push him back and throw whilst doing so. Get him to the ropes, don't let him set. Mayweather fights best if he's set as you come to him (as you saw in the early rounds where Ortiz would stop in front of Mayweather before coming in - but in round 4 he got angry and started moving forward much more quickly and behind punches). If Mayweather is moving back, he can't do those flash right hand leads which win him so many fights.

Now I'm not going to say Maidana is going to win, I don't believe that, but I think he has a better chance than the majority of fights Mayweather has picked in recent history. Canelo had a great chance but not the warrior mindset he needed to make his weight count. If Canelo turned it into a war, he could have caused Floyd a lot of trouble - the fact that the few punches he threw with intent did damage is a testament to this - but he didn't have the desire to do that nor the experience in his corner (who were, frankly, total muppets). It seemed Canelo and his corner were unaware that this was their only opportunity to beat Mayweather and so he fought like a sparring partner.

We know Maidana will get in there and give it everything to try and seize his opportunity. He'll leave 100% in the ring. Not the 25% that Canelo did.

Of all the fights Mayweather has been in, nobody has taken him to war at the higher weights. It can be done; Emmanuel Augustus did it and it's one of the few times you see Floyd look pretty uncomfortable in a ring. Cotto did it for a few rounds but wasn't able to maintain it because he was eating too many hooks. I doubt Maidana will be content to stand in front of Mayweather and let him tee off like Cotto was doing. This is definitely a decent challenge for Floyd.

well said.


there is actually some knowledge on this forum......

[b Murphington]

exactly -when has floyd ever cut of the ring. Although I understand that Khan didn't really "deserve" the fight, you could make the same argument about Maiadana - who lost to Khan, went life and death with a completely shot Morales, got completely schooled by Alexander, and then beat two blown up lightwieghts -- Loseito lopez and Broner.
I think Khan's combination of speed and boxing wouldve been a little different look for Mayweather - Judah caused some problems for Mayweather over the 1st half of the fight using speed and boxing.
I realize Khan hasnt looked as good the past couple of yrs - but he got a bogus point deducted vs Peterson and still shouldve gotten that decision; vs Garcia, he was winning the fight before being caught.
Before That, Khan beat Kotelnick, Malignaggi, and Judah as well as Maidana, and I think has the better overall resume by far. I know this port is what have you done for me lately - but it's not like Khan beat Maiadna 5 years ago

The thing that bothers me about kahn is that he makes too many errors, his style is too amateurish for my liking. He has a weak chin and leaves holes for his opponent, he's asking to get hit! He has speed and is a pretty good offensive fighter when he gets going but he can't fight when the rhythm isn't there.

Maidana has never been in a boring fight, that is why I'm glad he got the opportunity. It might end up being Oscar v Floyd all over again, which would be the greatest outcome.

[MindBat]

exactly -when has floyd ever cut of the ring. Although I understand that Khan didn't really "deserve" the fight, you could make the same argument about Maiadana - who lost to Khan, went life and death with a completely shot Morales, got completely schooled by Alexander, and then beat two blown up lightwieghts -- Loseito lopez and Broner.
I think Khan's combination of speed and boxing wouldve been a little different look for Mayweather - Judah caused some problems for Mayweather over the 1st half of the fight using speed and boxing.
I realize Khan hasnt looked as good the past couple of yrs - but he got a bogus point deducted vs Peterson and still shouldve gotten that decision; vs Garcia, he was winning the fight before being caught.
Before That, Khan beat Kotelnick, Malignaggi, and Judah as well as Maidana, and I think has the better overall resume by far. I know this port is what have you done for me lately - but it's not like Khan beat Maiadna 5 years ago

I should have said walked him down. He hasn't faced many fighters who sharpshoot from the outside whom he's had to chase. I feel he'll walk Khan down if Khan didn't stay close.