Is Joe Frazier really an ATG?

[LacedUp]

Shouldn't have opened up this can of worms, with ******s like Elroy lurking around

[Elroy1]

Shouldn't have opened up this can of worms, with ******s like Elroy lurking around

It's only a tin of worms because it's complete nonsense in the first place!

I would have just as much chance in pro HW boxing today as Frazier would have..

F/A!

[Humean]

Forget size, resume and all that stuff, simply watching the fight of the century and one or two of Frazier's other notable fights is ample evidence for how great a heavyweight he was.

[Elroy1]

This is either a really bored troll or just someone who has never boxed a day in their life. Joe frazier is no punching bag. The man had an insane system of head movement and a left hook no other fighter has been able to replicate. In my personal opinion he would get inside on klitschko and dominate him for the most part... Lol at Joe not having a chin too. I mean he only got up ****in 6 times to arguably the strongest puncher that ever existed George Foreman. Who by the way came back way past his prime just to say **** you to today's modern fighters.. Dam you really can find anything on the internet including guys who don't know **** about boxing talking **** about boxing lol... There ain't no farmer slave black dudes being called uncle tom and ****in plowin fields all day in a fury to prove themselves anymore. No one in the modern day era is built like joe mentally.

On the contrary, only someone who thinks Frazier would dominate Klitschko has never boxed a day in their life.

Basically none of your points were valid whatsoever, but they are so far off base your not worth it!

You are a Geriatric biased US nutbag, guaranteed!

[Elroy1]

Forget size, resume and all that stuff, simply watching the fight of the century and one or two of Frazier's other notable fights is ample evidence for how great a heavyweight he was.

Observational evidence is the KEY reason WHY he is not very good.

He came forward bobbing and threw the left hook, that's it!

He could not handle the punch of a hard hitter like Foreman who'se power is typical of any HW today!

And in 15 rounds, he could not even knock out Ali who was completely reactionless the whole fight!

The only other time he faced what today we would regard as a decent opponent, he got viciously schooled!

[LacedUp]

Observational evidence is the KEY reason WHY he is not very good.

He came forward bobbing and threw the left hook, that's it!

He could not handle the punch of a hard hitter like Foreman who'se power is typical of any HW today!

And in 15 rounds, he could not even knock out Ali who was completely reactionless the whole fight!

The only other time he faced what today we would regard as a decent opponent, he got viciously schooled!

Observational is evidence that Frazier wasn't very good, but observational evidence says Ross Purrity would be the best guy on Ali's resume

Holy crap, you're getting worse mate. You should see someone.

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Speaking of ATGs there is a thread about Lennox Lewis right next to this one...

Imagine Lewis vs Frazier. There's a reason the lightheavy & cruiser divisions exist.

A 200 barely 6 ft pound definition of "flat footed face first brawler" vs Lennox. If you were the commission would you even approve it?

[Elroy1]

Observational is evidence that Frazier wasn't very good, but observational evidence says Ross Purrity would be the best guy on Ali's resume

Holy crap, you're getting worse mate. You should see someone.

Listen to me very carefully,

Ross Puritty was a BUM! He was skill-wise, not very good. But he was one very strong, very tough and very powerful bum. Ross only won/did well against the boxers of his era, when they made mistakes. But he always lasted the distance because he had probably the hardest chin of all time.

The problem is, is that if you insert Ross into the 70's, things are different for him! I don't think that Ross was more skilled than the skilled 70's HW's, but someone like Frazier, who was ALSO unskilled and could not properly defend himself would be at some point caught by Puritty!

Frazier was EASY to hit. He was a punching bag! Foreman could barely even box in the 70's and managed to connect with him easily. As if Ross couldn't hit Frazier.

The thing with weight, is that it makes a big difference even when your opponent is a bum! That is exactly WHY there are weight ranges!

Puritty's strength, power and chin are so good he can walk through Frazier (who'se strategy was to walk forward anyway!) and doesn't NEED tremendous skills to beat him.

This is what makes Puritty more competitive against the 70's HW's than today, because the 70's HW's were defensively less skilled (there was no pressure for them to be because the punches weren't as hard) and they were so much weaker, easy to KO for big hitters!

Why do you think Foreman compiled such a great KO record? Did you really think it was because he was still the hardest hitter that ever lived? Or maybe it had something to do with his opponents! Take a look at the facts!

[Elroy1]

Speaking of ATGs there is a thread about Lennox Lewis right next to this one...

Imagine Lewis vs Frazier. There's a reason the lightheavy & cruiser divisions exist.

A 200 barely 6 ft pound definition of "flat footed face first brawler" vs Lennox. If you were the commission would you even approve it?

Agreed.

Frazier could never survive even HALF a round with Lewis.

Not under ANY circumstances!

But most importantly, were Frazier to have been around in the 90's, Lennox Lewis would not have been ALLOWED to pad his record against a guy like Frazier!

Fans and media would never accept Lennox cherry picking such a piss weak and useless opponent!

[LacedUp]

Speaking of ATGs there is a thread about Lennox Lewis right next to this one...

Imagine Lewis vs Frazier. There's a reason the lightheavy & cruiser divisions exist.

A 200 barely 6 ft pound definition of "flat footed face first brawler" vs Lennox. If you were the commission would you even approve it?

Didn't stop the commission from accepting Wlad vs Byrd or Wlad vs Haye or Wlad vs Chambers, or Vitali vs Adamek etc or the countless cruiserweights or light heavyweights they've fought over the years.

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