Originally posted by hugh grant
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Could Floyd Mayweather get outboxed? (If so, by who?)
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Floyd is a guy in balance.. Between offense and defense, though more defensive leaning.
For that reason it's a guy that's unbalanced that will beat him. Someone very very aggressive... Like Maidana yes has a reasonable chance of overwhelming Floyd's balanced approach with wreckless destruction and relentless pressure ala Castillo, Jesus Chavez, and to a lesser extent because he also tries to box, Cotto. Alternatively.. A very defensive guy with movement can also beat Floyd if they are more defensive and have better movement than Floyd. Perhaps a prime pernell or something like that. Problem with Khan being that defensive mover to beat Floyd is his defense is very leaky. He is not Floyd's better at much of anything save flailing around and looking like Bambi on ice when he's hit good.
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Originally posted by john_uphold View PostMad enough to call the guy a **** lol. Why though? He never had the style to beat Floyd, even back then. Pac made all of the relevant boxers at the time look soft, but Floyd is Floyd. The technical master who will slow your average punch rate down and do whatever has to be done to win. Let's just be honest. Pacman never had it, and if they do fight, he will lose in a lopsided decision. He definitely would not have knocked out Floyd if that was his other option of winning. Outpoint Floyd on the cards though!!!?
Put 2 and 2 together.
Styles make fights. Manny would've given him hell. And please STFU about Floyd nullifying people's offenses. When he can't, he puts his back on the ropes like a women, and Pac would've been the last person to do that to.
Watch the Baldomir fight, and just replace Pac with Baldomir. Boxing is a game of inches. It doesn't take God to beat someone. It just takes someone that's a tad bit better than the guys you've faced. Game of inches. It only takes a guy that's a millisecond faster than the guys you fought to catch you. Game of inches. Pac is levels above anyone he's faced.
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And Floyd's plan B of pressuring the southpaw wouldn't work on Pac. Pac would chew his ass up, and spit his ass out.
And I feel like I'm talking to Larry's alt. Be a fuggin man and debate me 1 on 1. Stop using your corny alts ya pussi boy.
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Montell Griffin did not outbox James Toney. He robbed James Toney is more like it. Toney landed the harder punches in both fights.
There's plenty of guys historically around 147 and 154 who could outbox Floyd. Below that weight I dont see anyone else really except for Sweet Pea.
Right now? Maybe Lara. Martinez of a few years ago could have.
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Originally posted by Jc8804 View PostFight baldomirs and ghosts and look like a genius.
Fight anyone with a pulse ,think twice.
Floyd is a good fighter ,but he ruined his own legacy.
Everyone got forced fed slow flat footers with head first defense.
Ghost's fighting style is all bark no bite at world level. He tries to be imposing but has small pop and his shots are easy to see and time. Baldomir, well he was relentless but never had the chin power and fighting brain chino has. And people say chino is slow (I disagree based on recent footage) but baldomir was Sllllow.
Maidana is closer to a prime Castillo with some difference in ring generalship and power or a Jesus Chavez with a lot more power than either of those two you guys keep hashing up.
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Originally posted by Syf View PostFloyd is a guy in balance.. Between offense and defense, though more defensive leaning.
For that reason it's a guy that's unbalanced that will beat him. Someone very very aggressive... Like Maidana yes has a reasonable chance of overwhelming Floyd's balanced approach with wreckless destruction and relentless pressure ala Castillo, Jesus Chavez, and to a lesser extent because he also tries to box, Cotto. Alternatively.. A very defensive guy with movement can also beat Floyd if they are more defensive and have better movement than Floyd. Perhaps a prime pernell or something like that. Problem with Khan being that defensive mover to beat Floyd is his defense is very leaky. He is not Floyd's better at much of anything save flailing around and looking like Bambi on ice when he's hit good.
You articulated that very, very well. I never looked at it in terms of balance. Very good.
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