If a fighter is turned completely side on...

[Tom Cruise]

Khan you could say got hit in the back of the head, because he got hit hard n spun running/stumbling forward.

I think thats different because Khan accidentally turned round. Its when fighters turn on purpose and then complain about being hit in the back of the head

[Levity]

So a fighter can just completely take away the other fighters right hand by turning their body to the side?

Seems to me if you are consistently getting hit in the back of the head by normal shots thrown from normal angles then that's on you and your body position

If it's legal to turn their body to the side, then yes. If it's not, the referee should warn the fighter who is turning away and deduct points if he keeps doing it.

Punches to the back of the head are illegal. Show me where any set of rules used regularly in boxing suggest that one illegal move makes another permissible.

[Tom Cruise]

If it's legal to turn their body to the side, then yes. If it's not, the referee should warn the fighter who is turning away and deduct points if he keeps doing it.

Punches to the back of the head are illegal. Show me where any set of rules used regularly in boxing suggest that one illegal move makes another permissible.

If your illegal action has directly caused the other illegal action then I'd say the blame lies solely with the fighter turning his body/head.

Same if you pull a guys head down and end up getting hit low because of it. Yes we all know its illegal to hit below the belt, but its your action which caused it to happen. So dont complain about it.

[Levity]

If your illegal action has directly caused the other illegal action then I'd say the blame lies solely with the fighter turning his body/head.

Same if you pull a guys head down and end up getting hit low because of it. Yes we all know its illegal to hit below the belt, but its your action which caused it to happen. So dont complain about it.

Again, where do rules state that one illegal move makes an illegal response permissible? I didn't see Johnson-Chisroa, but was Johnson actually committing a foul anyway?

If I pull your head down and you consequently hit me low, your blow doesn't become legal; it stays illegal, but it should be ruled unintentional.

[Levity]

I think thats different because Khan accidentally turned round. Its when fighters turn on purpose and then complain about being hit in the back of the head

Khan still turned though, didn't he? If that's what led to him being hit in the back of the head why should his intentions matter given your comment below:

If your illegal action has directly caused the other illegal action then I'd say the blame lies solely with the fighter turning his body/head

[Tom Cruise]

Khan still turned though, didn't he? If that's what led to him being hit in the back of the head why should his intentions matter given your comment below:

If your illegal action has directly caused the other illegal action then I'd say the blame lies solely with the fighter turning his body/head

But my point is to do with fighters complaining to the ref for being hit behind the head, when its their own fault for turning completely side on to evade shots.

Khan got spun round when he was bambi legged, its a completely different situation.

[White_Knight]

Punching someone in the back of the head is illegal. There is nothing that qualifies that by saying that it is permissible if a fighter is turned a certain way.

This isn't true. Before the Toney-Jirov fight the referee had a talk to Toney about this issue. He anticipated it because of Toney's style, saying "if you turn your back, it's a legal blow". Bernstein and the fellow commentator talk about it during the fight.

[Levity]

I don't see why that matters in terms of whether the blow should be treated as illegal. Intentional or not, he still turned around and that caused him to be hit in the back of the head when he wouldn't have otherwise been.

I would have less sympathy for someone whose own illegal actions cause them to be hit with low shots or punches to the back of the head, but I still don't think the blows should be treated as legal in these cases.

[Da Machine]

Punching someone in the back of the head is illegal. There is nothing that qualifies that by saying that it is permissible if a fighter is turned a certain way. Likewise, if fighters get tangled up and somehow one of them accidentally ends up with his back to the other, that doesn't mean that his opponent can freely punch him in the back of the head.

The rules don't change because a fighter's position does.

That's not true. A ref won't penalize you if the fighter ducks into it. Happens a lot. Some refs miss it, some don't and allow it. If you bend over and get hit in the back, it's legal if the ref properly sees that the fighter turned.

[Russian Crushin]

No its not the fighters fault, but chisora is throws extremely wide hooks that landed behind the head, whether his head was turned or not, thats a terrible example to use