The Official Miguel Cotto-Sergio Martinez Master Thread

[El Angel]

Watching Sergio vs Chavez right now and Sergio's movement isn't great.

The wear and tear on his knee was probably affecting him even back in that fight.

You noticed that too. Chavez Jr. was just so slow and out of shape, it took him 11 rounds to make an impact. I mean look how slow Junior was on his feet and he STILL landed leather on Sergio.

[El Angel]

Shit, that one's tougher to predict, IMO. Closer to 50-50.

I agree, respect to both men for taking it. My dad is rarely wrong on his predictions and he's adamant Lara is gonna make him look silly. And he loves Canelo Go figure.

[El Angel]

Margarito or Martinez - who hits harder and who is naturally bigger guy?

Martinez hits harder than Margs with no bricks, but it's close when he had his "wraps".

I still think Margarito is naturally bigger. He could make SMW and hold the weight well.

[FloydTBE]

This fight aint going 12 Rounds.

[Resilient]

I agree, respect to both men for taking it. My dad is rarely wrong on his predictions and he's adamant Lara is gonna make him look silly. And he loves Canelo Go figure.

Your dad is a ****ing idiot.

[mathed]

So to summarise Sergio is gonna win because of power, counter punching and cotto's fragile skin.

Yeah, that and his reach will allow him to get to Cotto first with his jab.

[The Dreamer]

With the mystery surrounding Sergio's knees anyone else think Cotto will try to tackle Sergio like he did Clottey to test that knee? Remember he also picked Mayweather up off his feet.

[Beater_of_ass]

It is making me laugh though do people really think Roach is going to help matters? What can he teach Cotto? Do people not remember how utterly clueless he was when his fighter Chavez Jr was getting spanked? lol he had literally zero advice at all.
''Err, err, err we gotta err keep on trying I guess''

Has everyone forgotten that?

WTF are you talking about... how else can you say throw punches and if the dumbass won't do it that is Roaches fault? Roach kept telling him you have to exchange with him and when he finally did Martinez got dropped, watch the fight again with sound maybe, not some cheap stream.

[Beater_of_ass]

Don't know what their fight night weights were, but here are some excerpts from a Dan Rafael article leading up to the fight:

Although the division limit is 154 pounds, Cotto, who will be making his second title defense, insisted on a catchweight. He was obviously hoping to force the bigger Margarito to shed as much weight as possible before they meet Dec. 3...

According to Sergio Diaz, Margarito's co-manager, the camps had agreed to fight when Cotto insisted on making the bout at 150 pounds with the stipulation of a weight check on the day of the fight, for which the fighters could not exceed 160 pounds.

"When we met with [Top Rank's] Bob Arum to negotiate the fight, no catchweight was spoken about," Diaz told ESPN.com. "So Bob was as surprised as we were that Cotto was asking for 150 pounds. Then Bob spoke with Cotto and got him to 152. Then it was presented to us and we went back and forth and we finally settled at 153. They were also asking for a next-day weigh-in where Antonio couldn't weigh more than 160. That was another issue we were going back and forth about. So we threw out 153 pounds with no second weigh-in."

Diaz said the negotiations got to the point where there was serious concern that the fight wouldn't be finalized because of the differences over the weight.

"There was no reason for a catchweight," Diaz said. "This is a junior middleweight title fight, but that is what Cotto wanted and Bob was worried it wouldn't get done because of the issue. We weren't going to accept ultimatums, but we wanted the fight and said, 'Let's work on this.' We weren't going to do 150 or 152 or a next-day weigh-in. Enough with the demands. Bob finally came back at 153 and no next-day weigh-in. I spoke to Tony and he said, 'Let's do it.'

Given his past record, and the weight he carried today, I don't see Cotto weighing much more tomorrow than he did this afternoon. He really didn't drain, which is partly why he looked so good at the weigh-in. Sergio, on the other hand, had to drain. He'll re-hydrate and come in significantly heavier tomorrow night. Bad news for Miguel, if you ask me.

So 2 guys with average stamina, one had to drain to make weight and the other didn't. Advantage Cotto there if you ask me.

[CubanGuyNYC]

So 2 guys with average stamina, one had to drain to make weight and the other didn't. Advantage Cotto there if you ask me.

Maybe. Will it be enough? Martinez looks considerably bigger. That's quality weight, too.