Rocky Marciano vs seventies Muhammad Ali

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Ali wins.

Marciano was like 190. All of his best wins were over former light heavyweights who moved up.

Ali's chin in the 70s was granite and hes too fast and accurate for marciano, he wins on decision.

Ali proved himself against better opposition than Marciano did, hes the obvious favorite here for me.

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I think Marciano does his thing against the older-yet-still-championship-caliber version of Ali and gets him out of there.

Rocky did well against older lengendary boxers.

So does Ali have enough lateral movement and speed to survive the wild bull? Or does The Rock land his Suzy Q.?

Is old Ali the only old boxer who could school the man with 49 wins, 43 knockouts? Only six men went the distance.

What say you, NSB. All opinions are welcomed. I don't mind. This question is simply brain candy to chew on and digest.

Marciano and his "Suzie Q". What a joke. Gunboat Smith, who would probably have killed Marciano has his "Mary Ann". I've read all the posts on this thread and couldn't resist putting in my comments. It seems that none of you are aware that Marciano was probably the worst of all the heavyweight champions, with the weakest roster of opponents the vast majority of whom were set-ups who'd also been fighting other set-ups.

You have to understand that the short handful of fighters who were good, were well past selling date and worn out, had slipped so far that they came down to Marciano's level, and he being at his peak, they made well matched fights. Something like the way Gatti-and Ward, who were B or C fighters made a good fight, because their levels were just matched right.

Marciano was fighting during the time the Mafia had control of boxing, and his manager Al Weill was known to be a "connected" guy. Marciano himself was buddy-buddy with lots of Mafia gangsters and often seen with them; In fact Frankie Fratto (Farrell) owned the plane that he and Marciano died in. Fratto was the son of Mafia boss Louis Fratto.

All I'm writng here is on the record, and if you are interested enough in Marciano (as I was) you will look up the records of his opponents, and particularly who his opponents themselves fought. Carmine Vingo, reputedly one of his better opponents, was in reality just a novice. He'd had 16-1 record. His previous 5 fights before Marciano, only one had a better than 50% record, of the other 4, in the two before Marciano, one (the fight before Marciano) was having his FIRST fight...... and the second had a 9-18 record.. Vingo himself was 6'4", and weighed about the same as Marciano. But Vingo was about 19-20, just a weedy kid in his FIRST 10 rounder, and his previous 8 fights had been 6 rounders. an OBVIOUS feeding an unprepared kid. Marciano was a solid, muscular 27 year old fully adult man in his 25th fight and his TWELFTH 10 rounder. And Al Weill was his manager. A Big difference.

I quote only this example but there are many more, some even worse. They took Joe Louis out of an asylum where he'd been in and out for a number of years.... Lee Savold, a big name, was completely worn out. He'd had a gruelling 140 fights, (HUGE amount for a heavyweight) and was basically retired when they dug him up, get him a tune up and then fed him to Marciano.

In Savold''s previous 4 years he'd had 4 fights, of which he was KO'd in the fight before Marciano, and in the other 3, lost 2 and won the other in 4 rds. And he was nearly 38 years old, well worn out and used up. Louis and Savold are two of Marciano's top defences along with 40 year old Jersey Joe Walcott and 38 year old Joe Louis. .....

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Foreman couldn't take Ali out so I don't think Marciano would. Granted, Marciano was faster but Foreman had more power. I can see him knocking Ali down but a KO? I don't think so. 70s Ali was very smart, he knew how to conserve his energy, rest against the ropes, let his opponent punch his guard and then open up when his opponent is tired. Too much skill, intelligence and toughness for Marciano.

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Like others have said, if Ali beat Foreman, he'd probably beat Marciano.

[Luilun]

I think Marciano does his thing against the older-yet-still-championship-caliber version of Ali and gets him out of there.

Rocky did well against older lengendary boxers.

So does Ali have enough lateral movement and speed to survive the wild bull? Or does The Rock land his Suzy Q.?

Is old Ali the only old boxer who could school the man with 49 wins, 43 knockouts? Only six men went the distance.

What say you, NSB. All opinions are welcomed. I don't mind. This question is simply brain candy to chew on and digest.

Ali had trouble with Ken Norton who in my opinion won all 3 fights,as long as they don't use them same judges who gave Ali those 2 victories I say Marciano beats Ali or stops him

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I think Marciano does his thing against the older-yet-still-championship-caliber version of Ali and gets him out of there.

Rocky did well against older lengendary boxers.

So does Ali have enough lateral movement and speed to survive the wild bull? Or does The Rock land his Suzy Q.?

Is old Ali the only old boxer who could school the man with 49 wins, 43 knockouts? Only six men went the distance.

What say you, NSB. All opinions are welcomed. I don't mind. This question is simply brain candy to chew on and digest.

I think either Ali was to big for Rocky. Rocky was great but he could have easily fought as a light heavyweight. He weighed in for heavyweight fights in the low 180s. He would weigh in wearing street clothes and not skipping meals because heavyweights have no weight limits. If Rocky skips breakfast and strips down he can make 175 with ease. Ali was a solid 200+ pounder and with his speed, skill and reach he is a bit too big and too good for Rocky in my opinion. Rocky would beat any fighter his weight in my opinion.

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Marciano wins by KO .... it's all here in this video ...