since ali was...

[HanzGruber]

Ali is the GREATEST to ever live. Inside and outside the ring. A heavyweight that could float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.. fast hands, good eyes, great reflexes, and a hell of a chin. ( I congratulate Joe Fraizer and

Wins the title in 1964, gets laid off because he was fighting the system/the man, comes back in 1974 to KNOCK OUT.. ANOTHER.. huge feared puncher at HW.

Something you might of not seen yet, Ali winning the gold medal at the Olympics in the finals:

Both these men were at 178 for a LHW fight

Nothing against ali but not going to war for your country when you get drafted is not "fighting the system" that's being a *****

[tangalog2200]

Ali is the GREATEST to ever live. Inside and outside the ring. A heavyweight that could float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.. fast hands, good eyes, great reflexes, and a hell of a chin. ( I congratulate Joe Fraizer and

Wins the title in 1964, gets laid off because he was fighting the system/the man, comes back in 1974 to KNOCK OUT.. ANOTHER.. huge feared puncher at HW.

Something you might of not seen yet, Ali winning the gold medal at the Olympics in the finals:

Both these men were at 178 for a LHW fight

very well said....amen to that....

got nothing more to add

[tangalog2200]

Nothing against ali but not going to war for your country when you get drafted is not "fighting the system" that's being a *****

if i am not mistaken the us supreme court vindicated ali on that case...

so i think you have to reconsider on your view....just saying

[Augustane]

If you meant to say, prime Ali would be the favorite in any fight, against any opponent in the history of boxing, then yes. Absolutely yes.

Not pound for pound. You mean, heavyweight Ali against any opponent, right? I'd agree in that case.

[edgarg]

I truely think a prime joe louis could beat a prime ali.

I agree with you.

And I believe that a Prime Jack Johnson would have beaten a prime Joe Louis. This was the strong belief of Louis' trainer Jack "Chappie" Blackburn who should have known.. He knew Johnson well,, and fought during his time, wrote to him when he was in gaol. He told Louis that Johnson would have beaten him "badly", that he had the habit of reaching out and touching his opponent just when his opponent was going to throw a punch, and could feint Louis into knots.

It is a well known fact that Johnson, although peeved at Louis because he was too controversial to be his trainer, told people that Louis would be beaten by someone with a good quick right hand over Louis' left. And that's exactly what happened against Schmeling, when Louis was mowing everyone down.

There are many historians who are convinced that Johnson would have beaten Ali, as Ali was a less talented imitation of Johnson (when he wanted to be) and that everything ali did, Johnson could do much better, as well as much that Ali couldn't do. Johnson was also a very good infighter, with a killer right uppercut, as well as a defensive expert.

It's a fact that Johnson spent 14 years unbeaten until he lost to Jess Willard in that "fight to a finish" 45 rd contest, aged 37, very unfit, and in the 26th rd. in 104 degree heat... Up to the 22nd rd Johnson had won every round, against Willard, 6" taller.

[edgarg]

if i am not mistaken the us supreme court vindicated ali on that case...

so i think you have to reconsider on your view....just saying

It was a very politicised supreme court then and as well it went with the flow of the Hippy Generation and the anti-war crazies. Public figures couldn't go out of doors at certain times and in certain areas. The mobs would descend on a park in their tens of thousands and after a few nights of dope and booze and sex, would move on, leaving the place looking like the Great San Francisco Earthquake of 1906 which destroyed the whole city and killed about 4-5000 people. And there were many more whose bodies were never found..

So I think Ali's winning his appeal was a mark of those times. Also, he had an enormous help from Howard Cosell, probably the most influential boxing announcer in history who almost single-handed kept Ali's name and cause in the public eye.

[LacedUp]

I truely think a prime joe louis could beat a prime ali.

no he couldn't.

[LacedUp]

Nothing against ali but not going to war for your country when you get drafted is not "fighting the system" that's being a *****

yeah.

Forget that he was already turned down because he was not smart enough, but as soon as he was heavyweight champion they wanted him.

[Adamjr91]

Can you imagine how fast Ali would be if he was 5ft 10, 160lbs? P4P Ali is favoured against any and everybody.

[soul_survivor]

I truely think a prime joe louis could beat a prime ali.

Come on man, on what basis?

Louis had power in his fasts but Ali was faster, threw more often, had better combinations, a better chin and better defence. I actually think ALi would make Louis look quite ordinary.