so im just going to assume that pacs next fight is going to be delayed

[The Big Dunn]

Nice try with the whole unbiased conspiracy theory, but previous Pacquiao/Bradley prediction threads tell a different story. How did I criticize Bradley?

you cosigned bucktoothed's post. I qouted both posts so you know why I responded.

Its really simple-if tim, jmm etc etc should have taken his career high payday so should manny. If you differentiate-which you have in the past or if you justify manny doing it and not the others-which you have in the past-then its a problem.

[Evol]

i'm not going to differentiate. whenever manny turns a fight down his fans can give 100 reasons why and always defend/justify the decision. when other fighters do it those same manny fans always say any excuse/reason provided has no validity.

you can't just accept manny's reasons and not any other fighters. thats what you guys do and I find it to be annoying. Yes context matters but manny fans only allow context to count when it helps excuse manny's actions.

No matter what the reason-please criticize every fighter that turns down his career highest payday equally.

come on now dunn, u know out of the pac fans im one of the few that actually look at it both ways and not just what manny says and i have criticized pac in the pass. but u're comparing 2 things with different reasons and saying its the same. u're only looking at what floyd offer and choose to ignore what the offer was and when it was offer how much more could pac have made. there was reasons as to why pac didnt take the offer as compare to tim. tim just didnt want the money at the time and would rather fight marquez instead to add more to his resume and there is nothing wrong with that but then just dont go saying manny is ducking him(not directly u but thats what other posters on here is saying).

[BuckToothed]

you cosigned bucktoothed's post. I qouted both posts so you know why I responded.

Its really simple-if tim, jmm etc etc should have taken his career high payday so should manny. If you differentiate-which you have in the past or if you justify manny doing it and not the others-which you have in the past-then its a problem.

Those quotes was addressing the claims that Pac is ducking the Bradley rematch NOW...
A lot of fans understood why Bradley turned down a rematch last year to fight JMM.
It also addresses why Pac was left with no dancing partner and had to settle for Rios.

To be honest with you, no one should be mad at Bradley at least for now, since the dude hasn't even address the potential rematch with Pac yet.
And he better not price himself out as that would be a clear duck.

[The Big Dunn]

come on now dunn, u know out of the pac fans im one of the few that actually look at it both ways and not just what manny says and i have criticized pac in the pass. but u're comparing 2 things with different reasons and saying its the same. u're only looking at what floyd offer and choose to ignore what the offer was and when it was offer how much more could pac have made. there was reasons as to why pac didnt take the offer as compare to tim. tim just didnt want the money at the time and would rather fight marquez instead to add more to his resume and there is nothing wrong with that but then just dont go saying manny is ducking him(not directly u but thats what other posters on here is saying).

I gave you credit for saying you didn't care that tim fought JMM see the post in this thread.

The same things apply in both cases. Tim beats JMM-he gets more in the Manny fight. Manny beats JMM- he's worth more in the floyd fight. The only difference is the dollar values.

When manny makes a decision that deprives fans of a fight-regardless of the reason-it should be condemned the same way tim ( and others) is condemned.

Bucktoothed's post and ironmt cosigning it was complete bull**** and is symptomatic of the problemswith a certain segment of manny's fanbase.

Those posters make it seem like its heiracy for other fighters to not take Manny's offer and agressively attack them for those decisions yet when manny makes the same decision they focus on the offer. Where is the consistency?

[jayblack]

they only have 3 months now to promote, train, and prepare for the fight. what the heck is taking so long, and not just manny, but floyd is taking forever too and his fight is in less than four months now.

pacs fight has gotta be delayed at this point right?

I have noticed this also. With all of the talk/bashing that has been going on and the delay in both camps with providing an opponent for their next fight, I believe they are actually working behind the scenes to get a fight done. Will it happen in May? I doubt it, but I do think each side is trying.

[The Big Dunn]

Those quotes was addressing the claims that Pac is ducking the Bradley rematch NOW...
A lot of fans understood why Bradley turned down a rematch last year to fight JMM.
It also addresses why Pac was left with no dancing partner and had to settle for Rios.

To be honest with you, no one should be mad at Bradley at least for now, since the dude hasn't even address the potential rematch with Pac yet.
And he better not price himself out as that would be a clear duck.

How can he price himself out? If he thinks he is worth more money and refuses to sign for that reason in an attempt to negotiate for more how can you criticize him for that when you would not impose an amount of self worth on manny?

[BuckToothed]

How can he price himself out? If he thinks he is worth more money and refuses to sign for that reason in an attempt to negotiate for more how can you criticize him for that when you would not impose an amount of self worth on manny?

He can ask for more money, noone said he doesnt deserve it. but he better ask for a price that suits his current worth.
Asking for 50/50 or upwards of $10m would be ridiculous.

[The Big Dunn]

He can ask for more money, noone said he doesnt deserve it. but he better ask for a price that suits his current worth.
Asking for 50/50 or upwards of $10m would be ridiculous.

if he turns it down-make sure you focus on the "realness" of the offer. As I understand it if tim doesn't get excatly what he wants then the offer isn't real and is designed to be rejected and is a duck move on the part of the team making the offer.

I hope you can undrstand how ****ing ****** the above logic is.

[BuckToothed]

if he turns it down-make sure you focus on the "realness" of the offer. As I understand it if tim doesn't get excatly what he wants then the offer isn't real and is designed to be rejected and is a duck move on the part of the team making the offer.

I hope you can undrstand how ****ing ****** the above logic is.

Dunn, don't worry about me... I'm not your garden variety nuthugger... I nuthug with class.
I already mentioned what I personally think Bradley is NOT worth it (50/50 or $10m+).

[Evol]

Put it this way.. manny fought morales 3 times, barrera 2 times and marquez 4 times and if marquez wanted a 5th fight pac would have no problem with it so all this pac is ducking bradley is crazy. pac had the least trouble and took less damage with bradley than those other 3 yet pac is afraid to rematch bradley again? ok???