Comments Thread For: Joining the crowd: One latecomer’s pound-for-pound take

[jas]

Writer said regarding Wlad: "To me, he’s the fifth-best heavyweight since Clay beat Liston. "

You can't be serious...

[DuckDodgers]

Floyd
Andre
Rigo
Bradley
Wlad
Danny Garcia
Tie: Marquez, Manny
Sergio
Tie: Golovkin/Mikey Garcia

[DuckDodgers]

Writer said regarding Wlad: "To me, he’s the fifth-best heavyweight since Clay beat Liston. "

You can't be serious...

How is that statement ludicrous at all? Are there really more than 5 HWs in the last 50 years that you would pick to beat a prime Wlad? If the criteria is accomplishments, certainly Wlad has had a greater reign than all but Ali and the Easton Assassin.

[jas]

How is that statement ludicrous at all? Are there really more than 5 HWs in the last 50 years that you would pick to beat a prime Wlad? If the criteria is accomplishments, certainly Wlad has had a greater reign than all but Ali and possibly the Easton Assassin.

Yes, there are 5 and they all knock him out.

[DuckDodgers]

The "guy" (Ward) "beat out his entire division" -- namely Kessler (not so "cleanly") and Froch...
... Then "fought the best in the next weight class up"!!! Dawson? Really?

He dominated Kessler and beat Froch decisively, consensus numbers 2 and 3 in the division. He also beat Sakio Bika, Arthur Abraham, and Edwin Rodriguez while losing maybe 3-4 total rounds in the process. And yes, Dawson was the consensus best at 175 when they met. Lineal champion. Btw, Ward hasn't lost a fight since turning open in the amateurs.

[DuckDodgers]

Yes, there are 5 and they all knock him out.

Even if you believe that (which isn't crazy), the statement is not ridiculous at all. At worst, 6 prime HWs of the last 50 years might be favored against a prime Wlad (that includes Vitali). Again, you can't argue that even 3 HWs have had a better reign in that period, regardless of competition.

[DuckDodgers]

Another pound for pound list with Bradley above Pacquiou. Can we all rewatch that fight and then put Pacquiou above Bradley.

Well, Bradley clearly beat Marquez and Marquez knocked Pacquiao out. Classic matchup triangle.

[blak81]

Mikey Garcia hasn't been in a fight where I thought to myself, "hmmm, he might lose this one".

He's not as good as people think he is. Great matchmaking.

[DuckDodgers]

Mikey Garcia hasn't been in a fight where I thought to myself, "hmmm, he might lose this one".

He's not as good as people think he is. Great matchmaking.

Hmm. Isn't part of that because he's better than almost everyone?

[royjonesjrKTFO]

Mikey Garcia hasn't been in a fight where I thought to myself, "hmmm, he might lose this one".

He's not as good as people think he is. Great matchmaking.

Yes, correct. He has fought nothing but brawlers with no or poor defense.