If Floyd hates Bob, wouldn't beating Pac long ago stopped him earning more money?

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How do you know? He refused fight night weigh in. JMM claimed he was a MW fight night

That's a lie. Floyd has been 150-152 in ring for every fight since the De La Hoya fight, and the truth is, 150 is not his normal weight either. He is usually 146-147 the morning of the fight, and tries to eat more to add an extra 3-4 lbs. There is no reason he would weigh 150 for every other fight, but be 160 for Marquez, and the fact is, Floyd simply cannot get to 160 in shape. The guy is really 145-146 if he doesn't overeat to get himself over 147.

Marquez would do that, because it is in his interest to perpetuate the lie that he was a small 142 lber beating a 160 lb Floyd, when he knows that's BS. That's why he dehydrated 3 lbs for the weigh ins, just to get back up to 145 in the ring. 145 lbs Marquez vs. 150 lbs Floyd doesn't sound as impressive.

Marquez complained after the Pacquiao and Bradley fights. If he felt cheated by Floyd over the weight, why did he never pursue a rematch?

The answer is because he had no doubt afterwards Floyd is a class above him.

[HeroBando]

Floyd just decided to stop playing the BS dehydration game earlier in his career.

148 lb Pacquiao "moving up from 135 to 147"
vs.
151 lb Floyd moving up to 154 (an upper weight limit he couldn 't even reach)

Does NOT equal a smaller Pacquiao "moving up more weight." It means Pacquiao decided to manipulate his water weight for a couple more years after Floyd stopped doing that bull****.

While it is Oscar's fault for being so desperate to agree, that does NOT mean a 148 hydrated Pacquiao should get more credit for defeating a 147 starved and dehydrated Oscar.

Than 151 lb Floyd gets for beating a 170 lb Oscar.

No, Pacquiao did not beat the better Oscar. He beat the worst Oscar ever.

Cry me a river. Floyd did a much better job with fat and bloated JMM, Pac did a much better job with starved Oscar.

Apparently Floyd has not decided to stop playing the weight game, since he just became the 1st 2x and reigning champ EVER to force a CW unification in the same division.

[HeroBando]

That's a lie. Floyd has been 150-152 in ring for every fight since the De La Hoya fight, and the truth is, 150 is not his normal weight either. He is usually 146-147 the morning of the fight, and tries to eat more to add an extra 3-4 lbs. There is no reason he would weigh 150 for every other fight, but be 160 for Marquez, and the fact is, Floyd simply cannot get to 160 in shape. The guy is really 145-146 if he doesn't overeat to get himself over 147.

Marquez would do that, because it is in his interest to perpetuate the lie that he was a small 142 lber beating a 160 lb Floyd, when he knows that's BS. That's why he dehydrated 3 lbs for the weigh ins, just to get back up to 145 in the ring. 145 lbs Marquez vs. 150 lbs Floyd doesn't sound as impressive.

Marquez complained after the Pacquiao and Bradley fights. If he felt cheated by Floyd over the weight, why did he never pursue a rematch?

The answer is because he had no doubt afterwards Floyd is a class above him.

I'm not even reading this sob story until you show me a link for Floyd's fight night weight for JMM.

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There's a reason this was done, for fighters safety. Guys were still attempting to drain and rehydrate much faster, to gain an advantage. Very dangerous.

Just go back to day of the fight weigh ins and the problem will go away...

No, same day weigh ins are very dangerous, because being dehydrated makes you more vulnerable for a fatal concussion. Same day weigh ins are NOT the answer.

The answer is to use urinalysis tests with the weigh ins. It takes all of 30 seconds. The fighter pisses in a cup, they use the test to measure how what percent water vs. urea constitutes the fighter's urine. If he is fully hydrated, he weighs in immediately, and that is his real weight.

IF A FIGHTER IS FULLY HYDRATED, HE CANNOT PUT ON MORE WEIGHT WITHIN 24 HOURS.

The reason this is not done, is because it is in the promoters'/sanctioning bodies'/networks' interests to have fighters be able to fight in as many weight classes as possible. If everyone was always forced to fight at their real weight, certain divisions would be shallow or empty.

That means less sanctioning fees, less viable fights, and less money bottom line for the business men. Which is why this dishonest, corrupt weigh in system is allowed to continue.

Just disgusted to keep hearing that Pacquiao beat the bigger Oscar, and Floyd is a coward and ducking.

Pacquiao and Arum ducked. Pacquiao should have known his ****ing place and not tried to dictate to the bigger PPV draw who had more leverage. Just like Floyd knew his ****ing place and accepted all of Oscar's contract terms when they fought.

Now, Pacquiao is the irresponsible and desperate one, blowing all his money on women, illegitimate children, leeches, etc. He needs the Mayweather fight now, so he better stop lying in the media, know his ****ing place, finish his Top Rank contract, then beg Floyd for help to repay the IRS.

Stop lying, know your place, and beg.

[cjgrey]

Cry me a river. Floyd did a much better job with fat and bloated JMM, Pac did a much better job with starved Oscar.

Apparently Floyd has not decided to stop playing the weight game, since he just became the 1st 2x and reigning champ EVER to force a CW unification in the same division.

Canelo is playing the ****ing weight game by weighing 165 for a 154 lb fight.

Floyd only demanded 2 pounds as a small concession from Canelo. He is the top PPV, and has the leverage (therefore right), to demand whatever the hell he wants. But he still only demanded 2 lbs. Pacquiao demanded 150 from Margarito.

Actually, Floyd has been very generous in negotiations. He ONLY demanded 152 from Canelo. And when Pacquiao demanded $10 million/pound over 147, which is an insult to the bigger PPV draw, and ridiculously overplaying his own cards, Floyd AGREED.

Again, Floyd made a CONCESSION to the #2 PPV draw regarding $10 million / pound. That was generous as ****. All he asked in return was that both competitors get the best PED testing possible.

Pacquiao's answer should have been yes.

Why would Pacquiao refuse the testing in the beginning when he already won a concession from Floyd?

Anyone with half a brain can see, only an actual roider would refuse the test in that situation. Pacquiao had no excuse to duck the test and the fight, except if he was afraid he could not beat Floyd without PEDs.

It's all a lie.

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Because only an idiot would allow his business rival to dictate terms when he himself is the one holding all the business leverage. Real men conduct business with their brains, not with their emotions.

Manny Pacquiao is the financially irresponsible one who is broke and needs this fight. Not Floyd.

Floyd is the larger PPV draw. Not Pacquiao. Pacquiao has to accept his inferior position, and not play his cards like he is the A-side.

Pacquiao demanded 50:50, Floyd pay $10 MILLION per pound over 147. Floyd agreed, in the spirit of making the fight.

Floyd then asked for extra PED testing for BOTH fighters. Manny refused. Floyd said, "I'm the bigger business draw. Who the **** do you think you are to dictate two conditions to me, then refuse the one condition I ask for?"

Floyd then made a serious push to fight Manny again. Bob Arum saw that Floyd was dead serious, and his Filipino cash cow would be gone if Floyd beat him. "We HAVE to build an outdoor stadium to have this fight. There is NO other choice."

Pacquiao and Arum have ducked and ducked again, but ignorant idiots insist it's Mayweather is ducking.

Pacquiao is financially broke. Bob Arum probably stole more than $50 million from him. He HAS to accept his inferior position, swallow his pride completely, and accept whatever scraps Floyd condescends to give him. Otherwise, he and his disgusting, irrational fans need to **** off and stop poisoning the fight game.

Thank you bro. I couldn't have said this better.

[cjgrey]

What's Pacquiao going to do now? Scumbag Arum, his mistresses, his entourage leeches, his illegitimate children, they've all robbed him for every last penny.

Pacquiao may not even be able to leave Top Rank at the end of 2014, because he may need another cash advance from Bob Arum, which Arum would definitely hold hostage for another contract extension.

This is all to blame on Pacquiao's own stupidity. If the public only knew about all the lies from Pacquiao and his camp, we wouldn't be hearing all this bull**** today.

Pacquiao and his irrational Filipino fans have poisoned the American fight game. This industry has been ****ed up since he beat Oscar in that circus match. Oscar's head looked like a damm bobblehead on that stickfigure body.

[cjgrey]

Cry me a river. Floyd did a much better job with fat and bloated JMM, Pac did a much better job with starved Oscar

Better slightly higher body fat, than 23 lbs starved and dehydrated. If it's not obvious to you which situation is better for athletic competition, it's because you have never done sports.

I suggest you start with tennis. Play one game slightly fat, and one game 23 lbs starved and dehydrated, then tell me it's the same thing.

Then tell me it's the same thing for Oscar to have done that in a fistfight. Owcar survived 6 rounds in that condition, which tells me he would have at least gone the distance with Pacquiao if he weighed in at 154 lbs.

Common ****ing sense.

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Canelo is playing the ****ing weight game by weighing 165 for a 154 lb fight.

Floyd only demanded 2 pounds as a small concession from Canelo. He is the top PPV, and has the leverage (therefore right), to demand whatever the hell he wants. But he still only demanded 2 lbs. Pacquiao demanded 150 from Margarito.

Actually, Floyd has been very generous in negotiations. He ONLY demanded 152 from Canelo. And when Pacquiao demanded $10 million/pound over 147, which is an insult to the bigger PPV draw, and ridiculously overplaying his own cards, Floyd AGREED.

Again, Floyd made a CONCESSION to the #2 PPV draw regarding $10 million / pound. That was generous as ****. All he asked in return was that both competitors get the best PED testing possible.

Pacquiao's answer should have been yes.

Why would Pacquiao refuse the testing in the beginning when he already won a concession from Floyd?

Anyone with half a brain can see, only an actual roider would refuse the test in that situation. Pacquiao had no excuse to duck the test and the fight, except if he was afraid he could not beat Floyd without PEDs.

It's all a lie.

You forgot to add that Floyd agreed to the 50/50 split which I thought he'd never do

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You forgot to add that Floyd agreed to the 50/50 split which I thought he'd never do

Exactly. Floyd sold 2.5 million PPVs with Oscar, and 2.2 million PPVs with Canelo. And the Canelo PPV was $70 HD, the most expensive ever.

The most Pacquiao ever sold was 1.45 million.

And Pacquiao STILL demanded 50:50, and Floyd agreed in the very beginning.

Then Pacquiao loses fights, just sold 450,000 cheap PPVs with Brandon Rios. What kind of bull***** is that?

Pacquiao should have been begging and agreeing to everything as soon as Floyd asked. Now, he's financially ****ed. And as long as he needs another Bob Arum cash advance, he will never escape Top Rank. That's the price of being stupid and dishonest.