Kovalev's manager: "Sergey is not a racist."

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  • PainfromUkraine
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    #161
    Originally posted by Tom Cruise
    from google translate
    Can you get me the original text so I can do my own translation?

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    • Tom Cruise
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      #162
      Originally posted by Sweet Pea 50

      Can we let a N word slide?
      Any opportunity to post some Louis CK

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      • Tom Cruise
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        #163
        Originally posted by painfromukraine
        can you get me the original text so i can do my own translation?
        – Гровер – главный негодяй, с которым вы встречались на ринге?
        – Ну как негодяй… Просто он повел себя неспортивно. Вообще почему-то именно среди афроамериканцев попадаются неадекватные парни. Если у них на спарринге что-то не получается, то могут тебя и с локтя ударить. Был случай, когда «белый» побил «черного». Так тот после тренировки выхватил пушку и начал размахивать ей перед лицом у противника, угрожая, что застрелит его. Это ненормальное поведение. Я не расист, понимаю, что везде есть плохие и хорошие ребята, но эти «загорелые» с каждым днем мне нравятся все меньше. Я живу во Флориде, там много нелегалов-островитян, я вижу, как они себя ведут.

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          #164
          Originally posted by Tom Cruise
          – Гровер – главный негодяй, с которым вы встречались на ринге?
          – Ну как негодяй… Просто он повел себя неспортивно. Вообще почему-то именно среди афроамериканцев попадаются неадекватные парни. Если у них на спарринге что-то не получается, то могут тебя и с локтя ударить. Был случай, когда «белый» побил «черного». Так тот после тренировки выхватил пушку и начал размахивать ей перед лицом у противника, угрожая, что застрелит его. Это ненормальное поведение. Я не расист, понимаю, что везде есть плохие и хорошие ребята, но эти «загорелые» с каждым днем мне нравятся все меньше. Я живу во Флориде, там много нелегалов-островитян, я вижу, как они себя ведут.
          Grover - this is the main scoundrel/villain/opponent that you have met in the ring?
          - Well, as a villain... just, he behaved himself in an unsportsmanlike way. In general, for some reason within the african-americans there appears some inadequate guys. If in sparring, something does not go their way or does not work for them, they may hit you with an elbow. There was such a case when a white guy beat a black guy. After the workout, he took out his gun and began waving it in the face of his 'enemy', threatening to shoot him. This is not normal behaviour. I'm not racist, I understand that everywhere there are good and bad guys, but every day I like these 'tanned' less and less. I live in Florida, where there are many illegal islanders, and I see how they behave themselves.

          That's the entire thing.

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          • Porter's Dad
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            #165
            Originally posted by PainfromUkraine
            Grover - this is the main scoundrel/villain/opponent that you have met in the ring?
            - Well, as a villain... just, he behaved himself in an unsportsmanlike way. In general, for some reason within the african-americans there appears some inadequate guys. If in sparring, something does not go their way or does not work for them, they may hit you with an elbow. There was such a case when a white guy beat a black guy. After the workout, he took out his gun and began waving it in the face of his 'enemy', threatening to shoot him. This is not normal behaviour. I'm not racist, I understand that everywhere there are good and bad guys, but every day I like these 'tanned' less and less. I live in Florida, where there are many illegal islanders, and I see how they behave themselves.

            That's the entire thing.
            People getting hung up on the use of "negro" but this translation here, if accurate, is very dubious. I guess he's going off his own experiences, but still...

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            • SkillspayBills
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              #166
              As a black man I am not even slightly offended that he said the word Negro. Not even a little bit. I'm more annoyed that he said Black people like to talk alot, "For them it's part of the show." Grouping an entire race of people, ignorance at it's best.

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              • Kagami Taiga
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                #167
                Originally posted by Russian Crushin
                How is that bigotry. If he didnt like someone based on experience, thats the way he sees it. He's not showing intolerance. People get so sensitive when you say you dont like someone. He's an immigrant himself, yet he's bigoted towards immigrants?
                Dude, it's bigoted and u are trying too hard. Once u start judging a whole group of ppl from your experiences with less that 1% of that group, u are being a bigot. He is being a bigot. Stop defending him. U look pathetic. "For some reason, within African Americans" seriously? Tell me how that's not bigotry?
                Last edited by Kagami Taiga; 01-04-2014, 11:58 AM.

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                • Citizen Koba
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                  #168
                  Originally posted by Tom Cruise
                  He could be saying that but I dont see it in the translation you gave me. He said "everyday I like these 'sunburnts' less and less." If I replaced 'sunburnts' with another race or religion I would still say it was a prejudiced thing to say. I'm not going to change my opinion because it was said by a popular fighter.

                  why is he even talking about race? He was asked if a particular fighter was his worst opponent no?
                  As bad as it sounds in English' I actually think the term 'sun burned people' was Kovalev using what he thought was an acceptable euphamism in an attempt to be diplomatic - remember it's in translation - calling them 'blacks' would have been nonsensical in Russian and he knew he couldn't acceptably use the the Russian 'Nyger' which might have been more normal - what was he supposed to call them?

                  I agree that it does appear prejudicial but would you have the same issue if, say, he was living in Moscow (where Caucasian migrants such as Chechens are considered problematic by many and run some dangerous gangs) and said - 'Every day I like these Chechens less and less'? Or, for example, I have family members in Athens who would say the same about Albanians who now run much of the criminal activity in the city - the point being, they don't dislike them because they are Albanian - they even have Albanian friends, they dislike them cos many of them are dangerous.

                  In particular Kovalev singles out Criminals (illegals) from the Islands - presumably the Caribbean - Again it's clear he means not just all blacks (which he takes the time to specify - 'there are good and bad people of every race') - but criminals and dangerous lunatics such as the guy who pulled a piece after a sparring session.

                  Either way Kovalev definitely needs to learn to watch what he says now he's become something of a celebrity, and it appears that Klimas has since mentioned the fact to him.
                  Last edited by Citizen Koba; 01-04-2014, 12:02 PM.

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                  • Tom Cruise
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                    #169
                    Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
                    As bad as it sounds in English' I actually think the term 'sun burned people' was Kovalev using what he thought was an acceptable euphamism in an attempt to be diplomatic - remember it's in translation - calling them 'blacks' would have been nonsensical in Russian and he knew he couldn't acceptably use the the Russian 'Nyger' which might have been more normal - what was he supposed to call them?

                    I agree that it does appear prejudicial but would you have the same issue if, say, he was living in Moscow (where Caucasian migrants such as Chechens are considered problematic by many and run some dangerous gangs) and said - 'Every day I like these Chechens less and less'? Or, for example, I have family members in Athens who would say the same about Albanians who now run much of the criminal activity in the city - the point being, they don't dislike them because they are Albanian, they dislike them cos many of them are dangerous.

                    In particular Kovalev singles out Criminals (illegals) from the Islands - presumably the Caribbean - Again it's clear he means not just all blacks (which he takes the time to specify - 'there are good and bad people of every race') - but criminals and dangerous lunatics such as the guy who pulled a piece after a sparring session.

                    Either way Kovalev definitely needs to learn to watch what he says now he's become something of a celebrity, and it appears that Klimas has since mentioned the fact to him.
                    I dont have a problem with what word he used to describe black people, thats just down to translation. It appears to me, based on the translations we have, that he's saying he likes black people less everyday because of his experiences of them. Which I'm sure most agree would be very small compared to the total number of black people there are

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                    • Godsfly
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                      #170
                      Originally posted by Russian Crushin
                      How is that bigotry. If he didnt like someone based on experience, thats the way he sees it. He's not showing intolerance. People get so sensitive when you say you dont like someone. He's an immigrant himself, yet he's bigoted towards immigrants?
                      calling someone sun burnt has nothing to do with culture (thats more of a immature insult rather then anything to do with culture) the guy is obviously prejudice........

                      you exposed yourself................

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