How to beat the shoulder roll

[thebowtod]

its so convenient how everyone gasses against Floyd. Everyone thinks Zab, Shane, and Cotto wouldve won if they didnt gas. Throw Oscar in there to. Floyd must be the luckiest fighter on earth

Who the hell ever says that about oscar?
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zab didn't gas, he just got outboxed, he didn't know how to adapt to a changing style after the 4th. Shane was just too old and too scared to throw.

Cotto gasses all the time in all of his fights, its not a "convenient" excuse, its legit what cotto does. he took rounds off alot in that fight, like the 7th round where he didn't throw any punches. He gasses similar to ruslan, for example if ruslan was more active against bradley and didn't gas he would have won(still felt he won personally).

[techliam]

The thing is though, the 'shoulder roll' and Floyd's fighting style are two different things. This mix up seems to mean that the shoulder roll style itself is on some sort of pedestal, when it isn't. A jab is good against the shoulder roll style.

It isn't the shoulder roll that makes Floyd so great, its his reflexes, timing and ability to pick his shots. He would be as dominant even with high guard or something else. We only have to look at Berto and Broner to realise the shoulder roll is just another style.

[Syf]

Yeah. It's not like there's a massive gulf in class between Sr. and Jr.

This...

Floyd isn't his dad and Manny isn't Sugar Ray.

Also worth remembering about the shoulder roll is that it is more than just Mayweather Jr's chosen style, he is arguably the best at it so to solve the shoulder roll isn't necessarily to say you have solved Floyd, if you know what I mean.

I agree with Tenma that some of Cotto's success against Floyd's shoulder roll at times could have been down to his stepping in behind the jab, but for the most part he couldn't come through.

The shoulder roll itself as a style can be dealt with (Broner-Maidana), but Floyd's use of it is clearly a little harder. Maybe to flat out smother him, clearly outwork him and don't let him get set...But its obviously not that simple.

and this.

There is no one specific way to beat "The Shoulder roll".

People have different tools, different abilities, different levels of skill and intelligence implemented to their style making it completey different to antoher fighter he uses the same or similar style.

Broner uses the shoulder roll, there's plenty of ways to beat "his" shoulder roll. He's shown that combination punching he will struggle with. Pauli, Rees, Maidana have all had success with simple combination punching.

That doesn't mean combination punching is the way to "Beat the shoulder roll" because not everyone he uses that style are the same with the same skills and ability. Other fighters who use that style have shown combination punching can be nullified with their use of that style, others can't. It's about ability not the style, that's been made clear numerous times - Berto, Broner etc.

Ian Napa used the shoulder roll, plenty ways to beat him.

Berto used it in his last 2 fights and he's lost both of those convincingly.

Alvarado used it and was stopped twice.

Just because Alvarado used it and got tagged and stopped by Rios and Ruslan doesn't mean that Ruslan and Rios would do the same to Mayweather, for example.

Just because Leonard had his way with Sr, doesn't automatically mean that's the way to beat that style because Sr isn't anywhere near as good as his son nor does he have the skill, talent or all round ability, or ring IQ.


The way to beat Mayweather (Not the Shoulder roll, Mayweather) IMO in his peak (05-07) would be a good, consistent solid jab, speed and unpredictability. That's how IMO you'd beat Mayweather or his "Shoulder roll".

Someone like Ray Leonard for example would give Mayweather a load of problems IMO, aswell as Ray Robinson and Tommy Hearns for examples.

And THIS





its not the style you have to beat its the man. this aint chess. Plans fall through, in the end its about who wants it more, who's quicker, and who's smarter.

Floyd to me does whatever he needs to to win. He's the style of no style.

[TOBYLEE1]

Stepping in with the jab especially in the up motion is a needed tool. Double up on the the rights or left. But Floyd is much more that just a shoulder roll and he has the ability to adjust to his foes

[THE REED]

Not only is Pacquiao not SR (LOL) but Jr. > Sr.

Another huge myth I'd like to mention, is that Floyd is always in the shoulder roll stance.

Not the case.

[THE REED]

The thing is though, the 'shoulder roll' and Floyd's fighting style are two different things. This mix up seems to mean that the shoulder roll style itself is on some sort of pedestal, when it isn't. A jab is good against the shoulder roll style.

It isn't the shoulder roll that makes Floyd so great, its his reflexes, timing and ability to pick his shots. He would be as dominant even with high guard or something else. We only have to look at Berto and Broner to realise the shoulder roll is just another style.

Berto and shoulder roll should not be mentioned in the same sentence.

Broner and shoulder roll should seldomly be used in the same sentence.

Not too mention, because one tries a style doesn't mean he excels at it. Floyd is certainly better at it than those two, FFS.

For one, he ACTUALLY tucks his CHIN BEHIND his shoulder, something those two idiots, never do.

Toney did this.