Comments Thread For: Showtime Prez: Mayweather-Pacquiao, Not With Top Rank

[carloscruz10009]

Well this just destroyed the entire thread.

good post... LOL.

[imjustsaying]

Let's be honest for a second.

Juan Manuel Marquez will never fight Manny Pacquiao for the fifth time no matter how much money you give him. Not because Marquez is scared of Pacquiao but because he knows he can't knock Pacquiao out again like what he did in their fourth fight. Like he said he wants to take that memory with him for the rest of his life and that the chapter is done. To Marquez that's more important. Period.

At the same time regardless of what people think. No amount of money could have made Lennox Lewis get in the ring with Vitali Klitschko for the second time. Lennox Lewis knows he got away and fighting Vitali Klitschko again would have been his biggest mistake. He won and to him that's more important. Period.

Same thing with Mayweather Jr. He knows in his heart Manny Pacquiao is a risk he's not willing to take no matter how much he gets paid. Maintaining his zero is too important to him. Period.

I'm sure there are more examples but I'm really tired right now. I hope I've explained it well. There are just those instances when no money in the world will push a fighter to get in that ring. Those three examples I gave are 100% true no matter which fighter you are rooting for.

[richardt]

Take da test, Manny!

Come out of deep freeze. Pac agreed to full Olympic testing in 2011. That's why Floyd called Pac on the phone to negotiate splits.

[oneon11]

Juicer didn't want to fight Floyd. ......

"Politics is the womb of which war develops. "

Carl Von Clausewitz.

All Pac has to do is ask ole Bobby boy to step aside for this one fight and he can get another butt whooping. But the juicer he is he doesn't want to fight Floyd. Instead he's ok with Bobby boy and top rank using Floyd's name to get fools interested in their b.s.......

[WESS]

Finally = code word for turning down 50-50, taking people to court, having your PPV #s fall, turn down $40m, get KO'ed and then have your PPV flop.

Well this just destroyed the entire thread.

[carloscruz10009]

With or without the Pacquiao fight.... therese not that many big big big money fights left for Floyd... seems like a bad deal for Showtime... i guess they felt they needed a big move to counter HBO.

[Jack Napier]

piss drinker ended Pac, Floyd will fight Pac within the next yr

[SamuraiSam]

So explain to me how it helps Showtime to side with Floyd in his attempts to "prevent the fight." They took a loss in the Guerrero fight. And those are the ttype numbers they're looking at doing again with Khan, or whoever else. It would make all the sense in the world to "force Floyd into the fight." With Floyd-Manny being the only fight that makes money for them with Floyd's big guarantee. It makes absolutely ZERO sense for the to help Floyd "duck" Pac. Ya'll some dumbasses for even trying to imply that.

Does anyone really think that Stephen Espinoza is defiantly and arrogantly toeing the Floydiot line, reciting the excuse ("NEVER doing business with Bob Arum") in the same pompous tone as Schaefer and TMT? Or is it possible that his quotes in the article were tinged with sadness, frustration, dashed optimism and embarrassment at having to relay Floyd's "ISSUE" to the boxing viewing public?

From some of the key words in the article, my guess would be the latter.

(If he said those words in a video-recorded press conference, I hope someone can post a link to the video so we can actually see it in his eyes & body language, so we can come to the correct conclusion.)

If I just go by what's in the article, without seeing a video, the key words that get me to lean toward the latter attitude are: "not confident" ... "I'd like to say I'm optimistic but there is a lot of politics involved" ... and, "I'm not optimistic that it can happen." I'm inclined to think he had confidence and optimism of being able to mediate a negotiation. But his hopes seem to be dashed by politics being stubbornly made an "issue."

Hitking, your reply to Pugilist seems to be mistakenly implying that Showtime and GB/Schaefer are one and the same entity in taking Floyd's "side." It's true that GoldenBoy brought their business to Showtime after being ditched by HBO, and Showtime signed Floyd to the six fight deal; but Showtime's contract with Floyd does NOT mean a joint contract with GoldenBoy. Since Mayweather Promotions isn't on the same level of GoldenBoy's promotional ability, Floyd contracts with them on a fight to fight basis. He's not contractually tied long-term to GoldenBoy like Pacquiao is to TopRank. In essence, Showtime contracted Floyd to fight for them regardless of who his promoter is. Shaefer knows he's expendable since Floyd can use any other promoter besides him, so he's screaming loudest about the promotional issue, reinforcing and amplifying Floyd's excuse. That's basically what Pugilist was saying in his comment.

You're right, it does NOT help Showtime to side with the GB/TMT excuse. They do NOT want another monetary loss like with the Guerrero fight. That's why Showtime wants Floyd to step up the competition to what the fans/viewers are willing to pay to see, and Espinoza was optimistic in working on mediating a negotiation. Like Arum was saying, "It takes two to tango." It looks to me like Espinoza was expressing frustration about his stubborn tango player.

I suppose Espinoza can be resigned and let it slide this early into the six fight contract. You can't "force" a grown ass man into doing something he doesn't want to do. I'd like to see Espinoza conceding to Floyd's cherry pick of Khan, then laughing in Floyd's face when Guerrero-like numbers come in and telling him, "I told you so" when he pays Floyd his guaranteed purse with NO percentage of PPV. Then after his fourth and/or fifth cherry picks do the same numbers, his last fight will have to be "forced" onto him. Or can Showtime terminate the contract before the sixth fight if he doesn't meet Showtime's expectations? Does anyone know how the six fight contract is structured? I don't, so I won't speculate any further.

Correction...I will speculate. I assume the $230-$250 million was not paid up front, and it's divided into the six fights. So can I assume that means a guaranteed purse of $38.3 - $41.6 million per fight, then a percentage of the PPV after Showtime makes back their money? Or something like that? I'm really curious to know how it all works. I'm open to education on the matter.

[carloscruz10009]

Man oh man, What happens when Pac humiliates JR in the ring, beats him down and possibly KO's JR, What happens to the remaining PPV events for Showtime ??????

I know you have one gear, so I will have to tell you boy, Showtime loses their AZZZZZZZZZZ when jr gets beat

I know that was hard for you since you are one dimensional and one geared so now you know. Showtime don't want their cash cow destroyed. Now be a good AZZ####, watch yer mouth, your disturbing the lads

So Showtime is scared of Floyd losing to Pacquiao?

[twosweethooks]

What you need to come out and say is to answer my ****in' question. Why in the hell is Showtime helping Floyd duck Manny? In turn costing themselves millions.

Man oh man, What happens when Pac humiliates JR in the ring, beats him down and possibly KO's JR, What happens to the remaining PPV events for Showtime ??????

I know you have one gear, so I will have to tell you boy, Showtime loses their AZZZZZZZZZZ when jr gets beat

I know that was hard for you since you are one dimensional and one geared so now you know. Showtime don't want their cash cow destroyed. Now be a good AZZ####, watch yer mouth, your disturbing the lads