who has the pound for pound fastest hands?

[jabsRstiff]

ok, now you and others are starting to annoy me about this, "butterfly's obsessed with ali" theory. man, you're probably more obsessed with tyson than me with ali!

You are both a couple of DULL AS DIRT, one-trick ponies.

Why the **** are you two YOUNG GUYS so obsessed with fighters from the past...guys whose primes you completely missed ?
Some **** has happened since !

[jabsRstiff]

That's pushing it.

I don't know if you can teach power, because Fraudley Harrison is Wlad's height and a bit skinnier....

But hits like his knuckles are made of processed cheese.

Why's that pushing it ?

[Run]

Why's that pushing it ?

Well....because I think visually you can tell off the bat Wlad hits harder.

If you shrunk him down to 6'3 215 I still think he would hit as hard or harder than Ali. He's a power puncher.



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[jabsRstiff]

Well....because I think visually you can tell off the bat Wlad hits harder.

If you shrunk him down to 6'3 215 I still think he would hit as hard or harder than Ali.

...& from your tone, you're saying he'd be faster as well.

[Run]

...& from your tone, you're saying he'd be faster as well.

Naw.

I don't agree with that. I think Ali's hands were faster than Wlads no matter what size they both were.

I'm just talking about P4P active hands.



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[Kid Achilles]

Wladimir would have similar handspeed to Ali if he were that much smaller. Point A to point B handspeed, not in terms of his ability to throw rapid fire combinations. Wladimir would also be a harder puncher if they were the same size, as he sits down into his punches more and puts his weight into them better, particulary the right.

I don't see the reason for the unneccesary bias against Wladimir on this forum. Ronnie Shields, Freddie Roach, Emmanuel Steward, anyone who has worked with him, shared a ring with him, or even just watched him hit the bag can attest for his incredible athleticism and power.

As an athlete he's the best all around athlete of the heavyweights, without a doubt. If you want to criticise him, talk about his weaknesses, but trying to diminish his strengths is just being a blatant hater.

[jabsRstiff]

[QUOTE=Kid Achilles]Wladimir would have similar handspeed to Ali if he were that much smaller. Point A to point B handspeed, not in terms of his ability to throw rapid fire combinations. Wladimir would also be a harder puncher if they were the same size, as he sits down into his punches more and puts his weight into them better, particulary the right.

I don't see the reason for the unneccesary bias against Wladimir on this forum. Ronnie Shields, Freddie Roach, Emmanuel Steward, anyone who has worked with him, shared a ring with him, or even just watched him hit the bag can attest for his incredible athleticism and power.

As an athlete he's the best all around athlete of the heavyweights, without a doubt. If you want to criticise him, talk about his weaknesses, but trying to diminish his strengths is just being a blatant hater.[/QUOTE]


In my opinion, you are overrating his strengths.

[jabsRstiff]

Imagine how weak Wlad's chin would be if he were only 215-220 ?
Imagine if he didn't have the extra bulk to take the punches he has taken ?

[butterfly1964]

You are both a couple of DULL AS DIRT, one-trick ponies.

Why the **** are you two YOUNG GUYS so obsessed with fighters from the past...guys whose primes you completely missed ?
Some **** has happened since !

i like and talk about other fighters bsides ali, but mystyal 2k5 doesn't talk anout anyone but tyson.

[Easy-E]

Dude of course Ali's hands were faster than Wlad.

LOL.

Ali was also 4 inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter.

i was saying ali's hands were faster than mikes