The final moments of Kirkland Tapia..

[$Bullsfam$]

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Originally Posted by $Natedatpkid$

Thats just ridiculous. Have you even seen the workouts Anne puts him through? Theirs a reason they are considered the most INTENSE workouts in boxing. Thats why his cardio is so good.

He wasnt chinny as **** either. He took Tapias best 50 shots early and every time he gets put down he gets back up. The only reason Ishoda stopped him was because Anne Wolfe didnt train him for that fight and his trainer was trying to teach him how to box and be more tentitive that had him looking like a deer in headlights. Anne Wolfe trained Kirkland would have retired ishida faster.



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why is she giving him black pills? why is he taking them? It's not a gummie bear muthefcker. Wolfe might push hard and she might push needles too, **** I don't know, his performances are suspect.

hopefully he takes the test, and if his ass doesn't have jelly legs or drop, I'll up this thread with an apology

Im not one to make excuses for my fighter. Hes a crazy bizarre motherfuuuucker. For all we know he was being paranoid and was making an excuse for not having an answer for Molinas BS clinching. If he was really that concerned would he have went back to Wolfe? Theirs tons of trainers who would love an animal like Kirkland.

He said it was somebody from his team not Wolfe. Obviously the pill didnt do anything if he even was snuck one.


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[BUNGALOWS]

honestly every shot after the 4th round was unecessary

Touche.........

[aldo5408]

No I'm a Kirkland fan bro. The difference between being a fan and a fanboy is admitting when a fighter you like does something suspect or wrong. Being a fan does not mean I have to imagine the guy does no wrong. He loaded up when he knew the fight was over. Wasnt the right thing to do. Life goes on.

I dont believe Kirkland did anything wrong here honestly its not like he punched tapia while he was down. but yea i agree tapia took a lot of unnecessary punishment, i just think it was his corners fault for not stopping it

[mathed]

The bad thing is Tapia was already taking so much punishment.

The good thing is we dont have to hear Tapia or his corner complaining about an esrly stoppage because that last shot put him out.


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LMAO, I almost spat out my beer when I watched this.

[dYeyKob]

I hate to say this as a fan of Kirkland. I have seen people place a lot of blame on the corner of Tapia as well as Smoger. The thing is each time I see the last shot I cant help but feel Kirkland threw that last shot well aware that the fight was over. Smoger jumped in and made contact with him and he may have been is beast mode but there was a a bit of a delay before he threw that last punch. I think part of the reason Tapia was so hurt by the punch was because like Kirkland he knew the fight was over and relaxed making him more vulnerable to be hurt by that vicious shot. I don't expect this to be a popular observation but but as a fan of Kirkland I would be lying to myself if I pretend I didn't see what I saw. I just wonder if anyone else has a similar opinion.

saw it too..totally unnecessary..more pissed at smoger..if you're going to stop the fight, put your full force behind it..save the man's life..

[Syf]

I was thinking much the same thing as op. But I blame smoger's tentative stoppage the most. If you too old to get physical as a ref to stop a fight then it's time to retire

[M.I Truth ?]

Smoger could have done more to stop it but like Tapia he relaxed a bit because it seemed obvious that the point was made that the fight was over. I would even say the only reason he loaded up on that last punch is because he saw the chance when the fight was stopped. Prior to that moment the punches Kirkland threw had nowhere near as much steam on them.

[Zen_Fighter]

When I saw it I immediately thought that Kirkland was going to get Dq'd. Smoger should have done more to protect a defenseless fighter. I am just thankful that Tapia is okay.

[1bad65]

Ive seen some kirkland sparring sessions on youtube in anne wolfs small ass homemade wooden ring and kirkland is a madman. If I recall correctly there was one session and anne is screaming for kirkland to stop, the closest comparison I can think of is an owner that cant control an aggressive dog. Kirkland trains violent and fights violent.

Yea I think I saw a session a few years ago of Kirkland being pulled off a battered sparing partner. Its dangerous in the ring as is. One of the thing I love about the sport is guys go for the kill within the parameters of the rules. When its over they are gracious and wish each other well. Its just as important to be a good winner as it is to be a good loser.

Having been to Anne Wolfe's gym a few times, I'll say they spar VERY hard. Imo, it's actually too hard. I believe she is spot on with her intense cardio training, but going full out every sparring session is counter-productive. It will shorten your career and slow your reflexes just as brutal shots in fights will.

[MRBOOMER]

Idk it's tough to say I didn't see the fight. Just watched the stoppage sped up and normal speed tho and it just seems like smoger didn't do his job at least not when he should've. He also seemed scared to jump in there, when Tapia's head first snapped up he should have stopped it but he didn't and instead of jumping in between fighters like he should he just tapped kirklands arm but this is normal for smoger he was the ref for jones lebedev to and he should have stopped that way sooner. As for what people are saying about that last shot kirkland threw he's an animal hbo portrays him as that and his own life shows it so you can't hope for much but in all fairness it looked to me like he was throwing the punch before the ref stepped in, that combined with smoger ****ing up you can't really blame the guy the same kinda thing happened in Mosley Margo just nobody cared. But for those who think Kirkland threw that punch on purpose to hurt the guy I can understand that too.