Forget about May and the Welterweight Div.

[Grimgash]

glad that the author acknowledges Pac's natural weight, which is about 130-135. Though he's been facing heavier and taller people and still able to dominate them shows how good Pacquiao is.

Now that he has gotten 8 division titles, going back to his stomping ground at 130-135 range, definitely he is a monster there.

Yeah he really looks like he belongs at 130...just stop... I try to be fair to fighters but if you claim this nonsense like I've seen done repeatedly I'll shoot it down. He's a 147 lb fighter at worst 140...that said he weighs the exact same as Floyd ... he'd look dumb moving down two reasons... means he can't hang at 147 w his contemporary also TR has a crap 140 stable.

[balintawak]

glad that the author acknowledges Pac's natural weight, which is about 130-135. Though he's been facing heavier and taller people and still able to dominate them shows how good Pacquiao is.

Now that he has gotten 8 division titles, going back to his stomping ground at 130-135 range, definitely he is a monster there.

I enjoyed watching Pac and Marquez at the 135lb weight class. They were at their fastest then. But I don't think they can attain these weights anymore, so lightweight to super-lightweight would be optimal for both of these guys.

Wouldn't you like to see Pac do some damage at lightweight again - and maybe do some house-cleaning at light-welter on his way down?

[balintawak]

Yeah he really looks like he belongs at 130...just stop... I try to be fair to fighters but if you claim this nonsense like I've seen done repeatedly I'll shoot it down. He's a 147 lb fighter at worst 140...that said he weighs the exact same as Floyd ... he'd look dumb moving down two reasons... means he can't hang at 147 w his contemporary also TR has a crap 140 stable.

Your pulling information that is severely out-dated and twisting the point. Pac has filled out naturally since the days of 130, and I never said that he should go back down to 130! His natural fighting weight is probably around the light-welter division simply because he has trouble maintaining a weight of 150 lbs - and you should be able to maintain this weight during training. He has to eat late at night just to maintain that weight.

[Grimgash]

Your pulling information that is severely out-dated and twisting the point. Pac has filled out naturally since the days of 130, and I never said that he should go back down to 130! His natural fighting weight is probably around the light-welter division simply because he has trouble maintaining a weight of 150 lbs - and you should be able to maintain this weight during training. He has to eat late at night just to maintain that weight.

He was 151 in JMM 4...but I was replying to the guy saying he should be at 130-135...thats insanity.

[balintawak]

He was 151 in JMM 4...but I was replying to the guy saying he should be at 130-135...thats insanity.

Your right, going back to 130-135 would be pushing it. But your reference to the fact that he was 151 is missing the point again.

When your training to fight at 147, you should be hovering around 150 so that you are in striking distance to make the weight. After the weigh-in all bets are off, and you can drink and eat again, so fighters usually gain at least 10 more pounds at this weight division. Pacquiao gains only a few more pounds after the weigh-in because he has reached his maximum weight potential. He will always have this disadvantage at the welterweight division - so his only compensation is to be faster because his opponents will probably always be bigger and stronger.

At light-welterweight he can probably re-hydrate to the same level as his opponent, so at this class he won't always be the smaller guy (in weight).

Does this make sense, or do you need further illustrations?

[The Problem Child]

For the love of the game, I think that GoldenBoy and TopRank will find a way to bury the hatchet

Wishful thinking, it will not happen. If the highest grossing fight in boxing history couldn't get them to work together, nothing will. Maybe when Oscar's son takes over GB and Arums grandkids take over TR they might but we're still a few decades away from that.

[Grimgash]

Your right, going back to 130-135 would be pushing it. But your reference to the fact that he was 151 is missing the point again.

When your training to fight at 147, you should be hovering around 150 so that you are in striking distance to make the weight. After the weigh-in all bets are off, and you can drink and eat again, so fighters usually gain at least 10 more pounds at this weight division. Pacquiao gains only a few more pounds after the weigh-in because he has reached his maximum weight potential. He will always have this disadvantage at the welterweight division - so his only compensation is to be faster because his opponents will probably always be bigger and stronger.

At light-welterweight he can probably re-hydrate to the same level as his opponent, so at this class he won't always be the smaller guy (in weight).

Does this make sense, or do you need further illustrations?

I know what you're saying and it makes sense but. Pac and Floyd are the exact same weight...which begs the question. Does Pac look like he can't hang on floyds level if he has to drop down? Also like I said TR has nothing at 140 worth mentioning Rios and Alvarado? They're worse than Khan and that's going to be a terrible joke of a fight if Floyd takes it. When it comes to Pac he's connected to Floyd at this point...and what either of them does reflects on the other...hence why dropping to 140 because it's easier or he belongs there.... isn't a good look.

[balintawak]

I'm not holding my breath for Floyd

I know what you're saying and it makes sense but. Pac and Floyd are the exact same weight...which begs the question. Does Pac look like he can't hang on floyds level if he has to drop down? Also like I said TR has nothing at 140 worth mentioning Rios and Alvarado? They're worse than Khan and that's going to be a terrible joke of a fight if Floyd takes it. When it comes to Pac he's connected to Floyd at this point...and what either of them does reflects on the other...hence why dropping to 140 because it's easier or he belongs there.... isn't a good look.

I think once again the point is being missed. Let me summarize.
1. Pac should go back to a weight class that is more natural to his body size
2. Higher weight classes dos not equate to better quality fights nor fighters - This is newbie boxing myth should be eradicated from boxing!
3. Potentially more exciting fights for Pac can be found in the lower weight classes.
4. I'm sure that I'm not the only one of that is sick of the phantom Floyd fight-hype, so stop using Floyd as a measuring stick for success. The issue has nothing to do about 'hanging with Floyd'! In fact the point is to move away from this foolish pursuit of an opponent who is un-willing to comply, so move on to better possibilities.

[balintawak]

Maybe Team Pac got the idea here?

I'm so glad that Pac is planning to go back down to his more natural weight. Watch-out world, thunderous KOs are coming back!