Did The De La Hoya fight prove what a hypejob Mayweather is?

[The Gambler1981]

Again the skill of the fighters that fight in a division has NOTHING to do with what makes them big or small for the division. this is you adding in a completely off topic factor to make up for a weak point.

Was hopkins too small for middleweight because most of his opponents outweighed him--unofficially--on fight night?

this is getting ridiculous. you seem to be lost in the fanboy debate that you cant even acknowledge this simple fact.

No it isn't it is simply to narrow down the conversation, I could bring up a bunch of bigger clowns and all the guys you brought up were guys that moved up to 147 like Floyd.


I didn't say Floyd was ever too small did I? The ability to compete or dominate doesn't make someone bigger.


That is not a fact, interpretation of size when talking similar sized men isn't a fact~ you are mainly using reach as your justification of size. Why are there not reach division

[The Gambler1981]

Oscar is bigger than Floyd, Tito is bigger than Floyd, Ray Robinson is bigger than Floyd, Hearns is bigger than Floyd, Ray Leonard is a bigger guy that Floyd, Vernon Forrest is a bigger guy than Floyd, Shane Mosley bigger guy than Floyd.


Some of those guys moved up and some started there, but is Keith Thurman bigger than Floyd, his arms are short and he is not much taller but who is the bigger man?

[R_Walken]

I think your being alittle harsh,, even floyd sr. thought oscar had won,,, its not out of the realm of possibility,,,,, I thought it was a draw myself watching it live,,, after rewatching, floyd won 115-113 or 116-112

I don't think I'm being harsh. I think Oscar won 2 rounds outright and maybe another 2 if you were leaning towards Oscar. The closest would be 116-112 but it wasnt a competitive 116-112. I'm not saying it was complete whitewash but Floyd clearly won. What rounds did you give Oscar because I've never watched it and gave him more then 4 rds.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I don't think I'm being harsh. I think Oscar won 2 rounds outright and maybe another 2 if you were leaning towards Oscar. The closest would be 116-112 but it wasnt a competitive 116-112. I'm not saying it was complete whitewash but Floyd clearly won. What rounds did you give Oscar because I've never watched it and gave him more then 4 rds.

I cant tell you the exact rounds which i gave oscar and floyd,,,

Oscar i thought won the early rounds behind his jab and probably took 3 out 4 rounds early,, then tired and floyd took over 5,6,7,8,

then i thought oscar cameback with the jab in 9 and possibly 12..

I will say floyd landed the much harder clean shots,, but oscar was way more active, and oscar tried to do a SRL and steal rounds with the volleys at the end of rounds when floyd would go back against the ropes,,,
Floyd clearly controlled the fight in the middle rounds and that was the only time someone had a dominant time spanning a few rounds,,

the early rounds i shaded to oscar, and the late rounds were split, with floyd clearly winning the middle rounds,,,,

great effort by oscar, but he just didnt have enough in the tank to keep up the jab, and he never really landed alot of clean shots, but scoring live or from ringside i could see how people had it very close,, Its not like floyd schooled him like he did ghost, and canelo,,,,

[R_Walken]

Oscar looked like he just stepped out of the shower post fight, not a mark on his face!

Instead of being a troll what rds did he win? Yeah his face wasn't cut up but his body language after the fight lets you know that he felt he lost and was completely out boxed.

And as time has passed Oscar has shown how bitter he is. He was the marquee fighter and he passed the torch to a guy that disrespected him outside of the ring and embarrassed him inside of it.

[Pacquiao'd]

That fight was closer than people try to make out. And Cotto was shot to s***, he got brutalized by Margs and Pac.

No it wasn't. It was 9-3 Floyd, 8-4 Floyd being generous to dlh

[Pacquiao'd]

I cant tell you the exact rounds which i gave oscar and floyd,,,

Oscar i thought won the early rounds behind his jab and probably took 3 out 4 rounds early,, then tired and floyd took over 5,6,7,8,

then i thought oscar cameback with the jab in 9 and possibly 12..

I will say floyd landed the much harder clean shots,, but oscar was way more active, and oscar tried to do a SRL and steal rounds with the volleys at the end of rounds when floyd would go back against the ropes,,,
Floyd clearly controlled the fight in the middle rounds and that was the only time someone had a dominant time spanning a few rounds,,

the early rounds i shaded to oscar, and the late rounds were split, with floyd clearly winning the middle rounds,,,,

great effort by oscar, but he just didnt have enough in the tank to keep up the jab, and he never really landed alot of clean shots, but scoring live or from ringside i could see how people had it very close,, Its not like floyd schooled him like he did ghost, and canelo,,,,

Your scoring is a joke

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Your scoring is a joke

I dont care what you think,,,,

[R_Walken]

I cant tell you the exact rounds which i gave oscar and floyd,,,

Oscar i thought won the early rounds behind his jab and probably took 3 out 4 rounds early,, then tired and floyd took over 5,6,7,8,

then i thought oscar cameback with the jab in 9 and possibly 12..

I will say floyd landed the much harder clean shots,, but oscar was way more active, and oscar tried to do a SRL and steal rounds with the volleys at the end of rounds when floyd would go back against the ropes,,,
Floyd clearly controlled the fight in the middle rounds and that was the only time someone had a dominant time spanning a few rounds,,

the early rounds i shaded to oscar, and the late rounds were split, with floyd clearly winning the middle rounds,,,,

great effort by oscar, but he just didnt have enough in the tank to keep up the jab, and he never really landed alot of clean shots, but scoring live or from ringside i could see how people had it very close,, Its not like floyd schooled him like he did ghost, and canelo,,,,

I haven't watched the fight in a few months and don't have the scorecard on hand so I'm not going to be 100% accurate and I agree with some of what you said Oscar started out decent and you could give him 3 of the first 4 if you were biased towards Oscar I think I gave him 1 clear round with one close round.
The middle rounds was all Floyd I won't give Osacr credit with those late flurries trying to steal rounds I dont think you did either and the late rounds I think I gave him 1 round with 1 close round that could go either way.

I think we agree on most things but I would say your biased towards Oscar and gave him the benifit of the Doubt when the rounds were close and I didn't. I just think Floyd clearly won, Oscar put up a fight and respect him for always fighting the best but there is no way the fight is a draw or a Oscar win.

[The Big Dunn]

The odh floyd fight shows that its possible to take a fight where you get a small percentage of the purse if you truly want the fight. When you take the smaller share and win you get rewarded.

Too bad other odh opponents never learned this.