Talked to a doctor about Mago

[Syf]

My best friend was hit by a car 2 years ago and was a coma and he was able to breath on his own and had brain swelling.

They tried to bring him out and each time his swelling would increase as soon as they eased off the meds keeping his brain activity down.

While I wasn't given full details as I wasn't family it's basically very unpredictable and sometimes people do recover from being on life support, unfortunately my friend had some massive swelling of the brain stem overnight which couldn't be helped by removing the skull and died.

He was kept on life support for 2 days while they harvested his organs.

I've read of similar cases since where there has been a full recovery and while I would never begrudge anyone that as its a great thing I can't help but be a little angry that others lived while my friend died. He was 33.

My condolences for your friend.

You understand you're criticizing a doctor's informal opinion during a conversation with a friend (probably not meant to reach the internet), and using it as a vehicle for your personal crusade? lol.

Get real dude. It was a conversation between friends that you've taken completely out of context to withdraw and assert generalizations that aren't supported by anything more than your opinion.

If anything you should mention the realities of keeping someone alive on life support. It is a significant financial investment that is not always affordable. Doctor's, ethically speaking, are not allowed to encourage a patient (or his/her family) one way or the other, unless asked of their opinion. It's ultimately the family's decision as to what to do when someone is on life support. Unfortunately, economic realities can be huge a factor in the decision. It's unfair to make blanket accusations imo.

I don't make blanket accusations. I said not all doctors are "stormcrows". But enough of them are to be a problem, and that's true. Doctors, especially medicaid doctors, or emergency room doctors, can be absolutely pisspoor. I'm sure Mago has a greater level of care, or so I would hope, but that is not always the case. Cancer patients with less financial means, for instance, are injected with something for the radiation treatment instead of undergoing the pricier radiation treatment by way of a machine. There is no telling what this toxic mess does to a man, but it doesn't matter. Shortly after, the doctor tells the man he is going to die. He doesn't offer to try to remove the cancer. Faced with having that gunk in his system, and no hopeful prospect whatsoever, the man dies shortly thereafter. This happens all the time.

So don't tell me that our medical system isn't draconian at times. This guy talking about "brain dead" and "harvesting organs" is speaking callously about another human fighting for his life, regardless of the damn setting. Too cynical. And who said Mago is donating organs anyway? Not everyone does that.

[Kagami Taiga]

I dunno why ppl are getting mad. What's being said is the truth. It may suck ppl may call it speculation but based on shat we know, the stroke, the clotting the brain damage and the induced coma what the ts is saying is actually pretty accurate. Sucks but that's exactly why I was skeptical of what was being said earlier.

[Syf]

My gf is a physician. I also discussed the case with her and she read whatever info we have.

Her main concern is brain damage, though she of course acknowledges that she needs much more information. Whatever the case, I tried to make her say positive things on his outlook but as a physician she can read the signs and they are not good. At best she told me that with more info she could change her mind.

i'm ****ing pissed at his corner, sad, and enraged that HBO was so happy with the fight and talking **** about Wlad's style.

This sounds like a more human approach by your GF. I applaud.


I Note she said she needs more information, whereas the other jackass just diagnosed the worst thing with little to no information like he was some kind of gloomy Doc Mcstuffins

[JaguaresMx]

by the way: there is hope.

In Mexico, about 4 years ago my young cousin was in a horrible car accident (only dude waring seat belt, I think, and somehow he is the only one that ended severely injured).

In coma for weeks, maybe a couple of months. Doctors declared that his chances of returning were zero to nil, but kept him alive because there was a tiny chance.

Dude woke up from minimal brain activity (can't recall if it was actually zero at one point). Yeah, he's had to learn to walk, talk, can't remember half of his family members, and you can tell he was in accident. But guess what, he's actually intellectually more or less the same. Just has to re-learn ****.

The only thing he truly remember, not kidding, and this is what brings tears to his mom every time, my aunt's awesome home mexican food. Woke up and remembered his favorite food.

keep hope

[Syf]

I dunno why ppl are getting mad. What's being said is the truth. It may suck ppl may call it speculation but based on shat we know, the stroke, the clotting the brain damage and the induced coma what the ts is saying is actually pretty accurate. Sucks but that's exactly why I was skeptical of what was being said earlier.

Everybody defending this gonna look like asses when Mago recovers.


I'd rather be wrong about him getting better, than be right about him not. Savvy?

[Kagami Taiga]

Everybody defending this gonna look like asses when Mago recovers.


I'd rather be wrong about him getting better, than be right about him not. Savvy?

Its nothing to defend. Its not about hoping I think we all hope he gets better. That's OK. But its providing info to help ppl understand what us most likely going on. Ppl taking that personal like we are dancing on his grave is an over reaction. Like the poster above said, there is hope. But the prognosis is still really bad.

[HanzGruber]

Everybody defending this gonna look like asses when Mago recovers.


I'd rather be wrong about him getting better, than be right about him not. Savvy?

Dude nobody is saying mago won't recover, the doc was speculating. But in the real world sometimes someone is so far gone that they won't come back no matter what. That's reality and not evil like you're suggesting. Again I'm not saying that's what happened to mago just relax

[Syf]

Its nothing to defend. Its not about hoping I think we all hope he gets better. That's OK. But its providing info to help ppl understand what us most likely going on. Ppl taking that personal like we are dancing on his grave is an over reaction. Like the poster above said, there is hope. But the prognosis is still really bad.

F that... he's a warrior and he'll recover. His spirit won't let him slip away so ignominously

[Tay Roc]

My condolences for your friend.



I don't make blanket accusations. I said not all doctors are "stormcrows". But enough of them are to be a problem, and that's true. Doctors, especially medicaid doctors, or emergency room doctors, can be absolutely pisspoor. I'm sure Mago has a greater level of care, or so I would hope, but that is not always the case. Cancer patients with less financial means, for instance, are injected with something for the radiation treatment instead of undergoing the pricier radiation treatment by way of a machine. There is no telling what this toxic mess does to a man, but it doesn't matter. Shortly after, the doctor tells the man he is going to die. He doesn't offer to try to remove the cancer. Faced with having that gunk in his system, and no hopeful prospect whatsoever, the man dies shortly thereafter. This happens all the time.

So don't tell me that our medical system isn't draconian at times. This guy talking about "brain dead" and "harvesting organs" is speaking callously about another human fighting for his life, regardless of the damn setting. Too cynical. And who said Mago is donating organs anyway? Not everyone does that.

That's all anecdotal evidence. But I digress.

The real issue is you're asking doctor's to be positive (as opposed to "negative"), when, in fact, they should be objective. For all the examples you may cite of miraculous recoveries, there are likely more "correct" assessments by doctors. You may want a doctor to give you hope by having a positive outlook, while others would just want the doctor to be neutral. I understand it's an ideological stance and you may disapprove of it, but that doesn't necessarily make it wrong, or a bad way to practice medicine.

Personally, I'd rather have a doctor tell me his/her objective opinion, rather than him/her trying to color the assessment in a positive way (i.e. inciting false hope). I would want him/her to give me objective information so that I could make a proper assessment. I should be the one to make the subjective judgment after all the facts are presented to me.

[Syf]

That's all anecdotal evidence. But I digress.

The real issue is you're asking doctor's to be positive (as opposed to "negative"), when, in fact, they should be objective. For all the examples you may cite of miraculous recoveries, there are likely more "correct" assessments by doctors. You may want a doctor to give you hope by having a positive outlook, while others would just want the doctor to be neutral. I understand it's an ideological stance and you may disapprove of it, but that doesn't necessarily make it wrong, or a bad way to practice medicine.

Personally, I'd rather have a doctor tell me his/her objective opinion, rather than him/her trying to color the assessment in a positive way (i.e. inciting false hope). I would want him/her to give me objective information so that I could make a proper assessment. I should be the one to make the subjective judgment after all the facts are presented to me.

"Correct" assessments? You are referring to remissions, no doubt. See, even when someone recovers the doctors come in and say, you know, its going to be back. Wtf is that?!? And how is that a remotely defensible practice? That is a methodical war against belief.

If you don't believe in the power of belief, just look at studies done on the placebo effect.

I'm all for doctors being objective. How about they start doing that, instead of trying to impress us with their knowledge of the nastiest things that can happen to man?