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  • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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    The greatest title in the whole world???

    The fact that I've met 33 heavyweight champions in my day is cool and all but...there shouldn't even be that many available for me to meet!!!!!

    Boxing politics (i.e. the WBC) have created the situation we are in today and it is a huge mess that our game will NEVER get out of.

    FLASHBACK: In 1978 Muhammad Ali lost the world heavyweight title to Leon Spinks. Rather than face Ken Norton in his first title defense Spinks opted to defend against Ali. The WBC then stripped Ali of the title and AWARDED IT to Ken Norton, who then turned around and lost it to Larry Holmes, setting in motion the situation that we have today in regards to the heavyweight division.

    The result, in my opinion, has completely diluted the world heavyweight title, once known as the greatest single title in all of sports, maybe second only to the President of the United States of America.

    (The following two lists do not include James Toney, who was stripped of the WBA title after beating Ruiz. It also doesn't include the multiple reigns of repeat champions (Tyson, Moorer, Bowe, etc) because it's just too diluted and confusing. In the first 93 years of heavyweight champions only two men (Patterson and Ali) regained the heavyweight title. Just since 1978, though, (I can't keep track 100 percent without looking it up), there have been at least nine men who have regained a portion of the heavyweight crown.)


    From the beginning of professional boxing up until the WBC decided to strip Spinks for giving Ali his rightful return match, there were 28 recognized WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPS from 1885-1978 (that's 93 years and includes bare knuckle champs): Sullivan, Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, Hart, Burns, Johnson, Willard, Dempsey, Tunney, Schmeling, Sharkey, Carnera, Baer, Braddock, Louis, Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Patterson, Johanssen, Liston, Terrel, Ali, Ellis, Frazier, Foreman, Spinks...

    ...as compared to 46 WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPS from 1978-2013 (only 35 years!!): Norton, Holmes, Tate, Weaver, Dokes, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Page, Tubbs, Spinks, Berbick, Tyson, Smith, Tucker, Damiani, Douglas, Holyfield, Mercer, Moorer, Bowe, Lewis, Morrison, Bent, Hide, McCall, Seldon, Akinwande, Bruno, Vitaliy, Wladimir, Byrd, Ruiz, Rahman, Jones Jr., Sanders, Brewster, Valuev, Liakovich, Ibragimov, Peter, Maskaev, Chagaev, Briggs, Haye, Povetkin.

    In other words, there have been 18 more world heavyweight champions in the last 35 years than there were in the previous 93! And this doesn't even include all the times the title has changed hands since Holmes won his in 1978 (Holyfield won and lost it how many times?)
  • Syf
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    #2
    all the different sanctioning bodies screwed up boxing from its glory days, that's a given. Titles, especially the HW title, have lost most of the meaning they used to come attached with.

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    • Sam Donald
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      #3
      good info but what can we do to change this?

      i guess its being bigger than the belt...........

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      • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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        You need people who love BOXING...not business...to be in charge. No one who LOVES boxing would even think of creating a super title, regular title, silver titles, emeritus title, etc. And they certainly wouldnt dream of allowing more than one champ in the same division under the same sanction body (at one time the WBA had THREE middleweight champs!)

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        • Sam Donald
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          #5
          Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
          You need people who love BOXING...not business...to be in charge. No one who LOVES boxing would even think of creating a super title, regular title, silver titles, emeritus title, etc. And they certainly wouldnt dream of allowing more than one champ in the same division under the same sanction body (at one time the WBA had THREE middleweight champs!)
          yeah but money >>>>>>>>>> love

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          • AgainstTheRopes
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            #6
            The WBA regular champion is the biggest sham of all.

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            • WilkinsOlajuwon
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              Iceman, Truer words have not been spoken unfortunately.

              sadly I'm not sure having people that love boxing is enough...I mean, hasnt Suleiman been in charge of the WBC for a thousand years or something?. He was at the helm back when we had one clear champ.

              Since boxing lost a lot of its mass appeal, the sanctioning bodies and everyone down the line did what they did to stay afloat and relevant. I'm hoping we are just in a phase where many many players get whittled down to a few and we get back to the best fighting the best.

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              • -PBP-
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                #8
                Originally posted by AgainstTheRopes
                The WBA regular champion is the biggest sham of all.
                It's all about enforcing the rules. If guys like Mayweather don't have to fight mandatories then what's the purpose of becoming his mandatory?

                Take 154 for example: Erislandy Lara is Floyd's mandatory. We all know that Floyd isn't fighting Lara. So either Lara can be a "regular champion" or he can be a mandatory and fight tough contenders until Floyd decides to vacate or retire. They're not going to strip him.

                If rules were enforced like they were supposed to, I agree, the Super/Regular champ thing is ******. Since they aren't, this is the way they have to do it.

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                • Weebler I
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AgainstTheRopes
                  The WBA regular champion is the biggest sham of all.
                  +1

                  I actually don't mind 4 world titles per division, but having world titles within world titles is taking the proverbial.

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                  • The Big Dunn
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by The Weebler I
                    +1

                    I actually don't mind 4 world titles per division, but having world titles within world titles is taking the proverbial.
                    Boxing can be made much simpler. Each division should have a:

                    World Champ
                    North AMerican champ
                    South American champ
                    european champ
                    african champ
                    asian/pan pacific champ

                    No interims.super, blah blah. The 5 regional champs must be ranked in the top 10. World champ must fight 2-3x per year- at least 1 defensesagainst #1 ranked mando.

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