is there anyway floyd could have beaten leonard?

[Ham Porter]

you are claiming that there is substantial overwhelming evidence that SRL did not cherry pick

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You = ****** and wrong. Your reasoning is neither sound nor is it based on reality and your argument is contradictory to the facts.


Try again.

The fact that it was Hagler's last fight, regardless of who was expected to win by the majority of fans, is very telling of what stage Hagler was in in his career.

Hagler wasn't draining himself to fight a great fighter at the peak of his powers, nor had his reputation diminished considerably in the years leading up to his last fight; he was still universally considered the absolute best in the sport, so your Pacquiao-De La Hoya comparison falls flat on it's face.

Why is it so hard to envision? We saw glimpses of how he can lose in his fight vs Mayweather Sr., who's conditioning and skills as a boxer is nowhere near his son's. Lol....

^^^^^^^^^^

I can only imagine that this dolt is recycling some garbage that he's heard elsewhere, because nobody who actually saw Mayweather Sr absorb a severe beating from as early as the third round could possibly be ****** enough to cite that fight as some sort of blueprint for Jr.

[Panthershock]

highly unlikely

simple reason is that SRL is a natural welterweight, while Floyd started at 130. Two highly skilled fighters that would frustrate each other, but Mayweather has to be much more weary about taking a punch from Leonard, than vice versa.
SRL opens up the offense a couple times a round, Floyd can't respond equivocally and that is your difference

[bojangles1987]

How did we see this exactly? It was Leonard's 10th fight, he was still a brand new rookie, and yet he still dominated every single round, beat the absolute ****e out of him, hurt him nearly every round, then knocked him out.

If you want to play that game, let's look at Floyd having even more trouble with Ausgustus, Corley, Judah and that was in his prime as champion.

If Corley stunned him, Leonard knocks him clean out. If Ausgustus tagged him as much as he did and gave him his toughest fight, Leonard dominates.

Etc etc.

If Victoriano Sosa can make Floyd look bad...

[bojangles1987]

I could have sworn there was a point where MurkaMan wasn't a terrible troll. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

[MurkaMan]

I could have sworn there was a point where MurkaMan wasn't a terrible troll. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

Im a troll just because I dont overrate past ATG's like the rest of you? Based off of their fights, they dont have HALF the skills of Floyd. Its almost like night and day.

[-PBP-]

LOL. No somebody did not show the fight between Floyd Sr. and Leonard to try and prove that Floyd Jr. would beat Leonard easily. Come on man. Fact of the matter is Floyd has not faced anybody with the skills and physical gifts of Sugar Ray Leonard. BUT, it goes both ways. You can't pick out any single fight from either guys resume that will tell you how these 2 would fare against each other.

I agree that old fighters are put on a pedestal and viewed as invincible forces of nature. I don't see how somebody can say that "There is no way humanly possible" that Floyd can beat Leonard if they were to meet up. His timing, accuracy and defense will help negate Leonard's speed and combinations.

[TEKGaming]

How did we see this exactly? It was Leonard's 10th fight, he was still a brand new rookie, and yet he still dominated every single round, beat the absolute ****e out of him, hurt him nearly every round, then knocked him out.

If you want to play that game, let's look at Floyd having even more trouble with Ausgustus, Corley, Judah and that was in his prime as champion.

If Corley stunned him, Leonard knocks him clean out. If Ausgustus tagged him as much as he did and gave him his toughest fight, Leonard dominates.

Etc etc.

Except you're using totally different fighting styles. Floyd Sr. is very close to Floyd's shadow, but without the rolling, the inside-work, the accuracy, the same level of power, or the same level of defense.

SRL won the fight very convincingly, but why can't boxing fans ever look at a fight with a more analytical mind? Such as looking at what fundamentals is giving a certain fighter tactical problems. Floyd Jr. begins to diminish problems he initially has by adapting on the fly is the difference, while SRL does not on anywhere near the same extent. So while you could say "well what about the problems that the fundamentals deployed by SRL could give Floyd Jr.?", what we DO know is that Floyd adapts within the same fight, and has continued to improve skill-wise throughout his career. So the following issue is more emphasized, "How well is SRL going to answer the problems that Floyd Jr. brings to their matchup?". We know Floyd finds answers, very effectively, but how well will Leonard against a guy who's going to be adapting quicker than him throughout the fight?"

Furthermore, Floyd in his 10th fight towards now, versus SRL in his 10th fight towards the later parts of his career, Floyd has the greater gap of improvement between his younger self and later self. SRL made adjustments to his skillset throughout his career, but not to the same extent.

From a boxing fundamental standpoint, Floyd Sr. posed several tactical problems for SRL and SRL has admitted that, even going as far to say that he had the greatest defense he ever went up against in his entire career. If you choose not to see that, or you simply can't, then I can't help you.

[Panthershock]

Except you're using totally different fighting styles. Floyd Sr. is very close to Floyd's shadow, but without the rolling, the inside-work, the accuracy, the same level of power, or the same level of defense.

SRL won the fight very convincingly, but why can't boxing fans ever look at a fight with a more analytical mind? Such as looking at what fundamentals is giving a certain fighter tactical problems. Floyd Jr. begins to diminish problems he initially has by adapting on the fly is the difference, while SRL does not on anywhere near the same extent. So while you could say "well what about the problems that the fundamentals deployed by SRL could give Floyd Jr.?", what we DO know is that Floyd adapts within the same fight, and has continued to improve skill-wise throughout his career. So the following issue is more emphasized, "How well is SRL going to answer the problems that Floyd Jr. brings to their matchup?". We know Floyd finds answers, very effectively, but how well will Leonard against a guy who's going to be adapting quicker than him throughout the fight?"

Furthermore, Floyd in his 10th fight towards now, versus SRL in his 10th fight towards the later parts of his career, Floyd has the greater gap of improvement between his younger self and later self. SRL made adjustments to his skillset throughout his career, but not to the same extent.

From a boxing fundamental standpoint, Floyd Sr. posed several tactical problems for SRL and SRL has admitted that, even going as far to say that he had the greatest defense he ever went up against in his entire career. If you choose not to see that, or you simply can't, then I can't help you.

yeah, SRL becoming the aggressor, wearing down and knocking out Tommy Hearns pales in comparison to Floyd losing a couple early rounds to Zab Judah
I also don't remember Floyd adapting too well against Castillo when he thought he was down on points

Floyd has become a very smart fighter, but he'd be facing an opponent in SRL who is worlds better than anyone he's fought and who knows how well he'd adapt under those circumstances.

I like Floyd, but 147 is his 4th weight class compared an ATG natural welterweight in SRL

[MurkaMan]

LOL. No somebody did not show the fight between Floyd Sr. and Leonard to try and prove that Floyd Jr. would beat Leonard easily. Come on man. Fact of the matter is Floyd has not faced anybody with the skills and physical gifts of Sugar Ray Leonard. BUT, it goes both ways. You can't pick out any single fight from either guys resume that will tell you how these 2 would fare against each other.

I agree that old fighters are put on a pedestal and viewed as invincible forces of nature. I don't see how somebody can say that "There is no way humanly possible" that Floyd can beat Leonard if they were to meet up. His timing, accuracy and defense will help negate Leonard's speed and combinations.

Watch the video I posted. It was a video showing how SRL threw jabs, and brought his hand back low, getting caught by slow right hands. Thats Floyd's favorite punch. That video I posted showed allot, and its a part two on his page to show that SRL got hit by allot of bums as well as elite fighters.

[Bushbaby]

Except you're using totally different fighting styles. Floyd Sr. is very close to Floyd's shadow, but without the rolling, the inside-work, the accuracy, the same level of power, or the same level of defense.

SRL won the fight very convincingly, but why can't boxing fans ever look at a fight with a more analytical mind? Such as looking at what fundamentals is giving a certain fighter tactical problems. Floyd Jr. begins to diminish problems he initially has by adapting on the fly is the difference, while SRL does not on anywhere near the same extent. So while you could say "well what about the problems that the fundamentals deployed by SRL could give Floyd Jr.?", what we DO know is that Floyd adapts within the same fight, and has continued to improve skill-wise throughout his career. So the following issue is more emphasized, "How well is SRL going to answer the problems that Floyd Jr. brings to their matchup?". We know Floyd finds answers, very effectively, but how well will Leonard against a guy who's going to be adapting quicker than him throughout the fight?"

Furthermore, Floyd in his 10th fight towards now, versus SRL in his 10th fight towards the later parts of his career, Floyd has the greater gap of improvement between his younger self and later self. SRL made adjustments to his skillset throughout his career, but not to the same extent.

From a boxing fundamental standpoint, Floyd Sr. posed several tactical problems for SRL and SRL has admitted that, even going as far to say that he had the greatest defense he ever went up against in his entire career. If you choose not to see that, or you simply can't, then I can't help you.

Before writing this book, you should have looked at the 2nd sentence in Benny's post. That was SRL's 10th fight.