Why does Freddie Roach always have the wrong gameplay for Marquez?

**-MAKAVELLI-** · 10-15-2013, 05:26 PM

he has the right game plan...the only problem is; during the HBO faceoff, they show it to JMM like a couple of douchebags

**The Surgeon** · 10-15-2013, 05:31 PM

There is a school of thought that you play to your own strengths and not your opponents weaknesses

**brick wall** · 10-15-2013, 05:32 PM

pac is too impatient to adapt that kind of style (no aggression).

it's the style to beat marquez though no doubt about it...make him the aggressor and take away his counterpunching and he could be outboxed.

**Check_hooks** · 10-15-2013, 05:32 PM

How is being 2-1-1 a "wrong gameplan"?

Especially since that draw was a win due to a judge who can't do simple math and the loss was a fight that was about to turn into Pac-Marg 2

**FeFist** · 10-15-2013, 05:40 PM

He had the right game plan going into the fourth fight, you can't really blame the trainer when his fighter decides to do something reckless. Well I suppose you can, but it isn't the game plan at fault, what is at fault is him not ironing certain tendencies out of Pacquiao.

**T18Z** · 10-15-2013, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Check_hooks

How is being 2-1-1 a "wrong gameplan"?

Especially since that draw was a win due to a judge who can't do simple math and the loss was a fight that was about to turn into Pac-Marg 2

Exactly... how can it be wrong when it's won him 3/4 fights?

You should be criticizing Marquez, he uses the same **** every fight, loses, then blames it on someone else.

**LeG00N** · 10-15-2013, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Homervanderjazz

In their last fight one of the main things he kept telling Manny was to pressure JMM... and to keep moving forward. This was the same strategy which had always led to disputed decisions in the past...

The same strategy which was shown to be inept and dangerous against an efficient counter puncher...

The recent Bradley/Marquez fight showed the way to beat Marquez. It is the same strategy that Mayweather previously adopted, albeit to greater effect.

Why didn't roach change it up?? And how can he be regarded as an elite trainer when two of his main fighters in recent years have no defense? Khan being the other prime example.

No, he was counter punching and boxing in the 3rd. for the 4th they went back to the first fight where they had the most success.

They've had 3 different game plans

**Hougigo** · 10-15-2013, 05:43 PM

Because that's not how Manny fights

**Kris Silver** · 10-15-2013, 05:47 PM

Freddie is on the decline sadly, on the mental and physical sides.

He isn't the best defensive trainer which is why a lot of his guys are just getting hit too much.

He was telling Manny to move his head to be fair, having watched Pac/JMM 4 again recently. That wasn't exactly enough (don't recall a great deal else).

Pac was doing well at times but in fairness like he himself admitted, he got complacement, thought he had JMM out of there but JMM is most dangerous when hurt.

Why does Freddie Roach always have the wrong gameplay for Marquez?