Appearance and Composure in the ring can win you rounds without doing much true work

[A-Wolf]

It's an interesting point, though I expect this thread to be shot down. Bradley had the better game plan, JMM looked sloppy and leaden-footed. However, JMM threw the better punches.

However, you also have to factor in the effectiveness of Tim's jab. Even if it was being parried, it was a problem for JMM all night. Tim was a nice blend of movement, jabs, and defence. But there were rounds when he barely threw a significant punch.

That fight was far, far closer than people will like to admit. I looked at my scorecard app at the end of the fight and I had it a draw. If you are not scoring the fight yourself, it is very easy to get suckered into the narrative being driven by the commentators.

lol no ****. He's got the mobility of an 80 year old. What else is new? Have you seen Mayweather vs. Marquez??

[Vasyl’s dad]

#'s don't lie, Marquez outlanded Bradley with power punches and was also more accurate.

I know exactly what you are talking about Bradley-Marquez, and I agree. It's as if he went to acting class as part of his training camp. He learned how to act like he's winning and give off a body language as if he's winning. He certainly fooled Lederman with his acting, and some fans, but I saw a very close fight. I have no problem with Hoyle and Feldman's scorecards, which actually depicted what happened in the fight.

Bradley made a lot of special expressions, smiling, arm raising, "I'm winning" kind of body language, yet he landed a mere 86 power punches to Marquez's the "loser" 115 power punches.

Bradley simply won on activity and body language, nothing else.

Were Marquez punches more effective though?



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[SlySlickSmooth]

Marquez can only fight going backwards now, he looked like his feet were 200 pounds.

[techliam]

1 Power punch > 1 Jab. If were talking about scoring. No where have I undermined the importance of the jab.

Not necessarily.

Your theory is interesting, but a lot of it is trying to be backed by your own opinion, which means nothing really.

Anything can win you rounds, as there's no enforced rules of which judges should be judging by. For reasonably competent judges though (those which seem to follow popular thinking for scoring), I personally think it depends on the current zeitgeist - i.e what currently the boxing media purports to be the best way to be boxing. I've noticed that the Mayweather defensive-style boxing seems to fair really well with judges nowadays, as seen by his ridiculously wide scorecards for a few fights (example, Cotto). His style isn't necessarily going to be awarded the same way, if we place him in a different era.

For an interesting view on judging, you should research some scoring (and analysis) on the Canelo vs Trout fight. It's a gem of a fight for analysis - a true split between those who score for punches landed and those who score for power.

[jqSide]

Don't know about the acting part, but this is the first time I saw Marquez's opponent so afraid to trade. It's as if Bradley is fighting Golovkin or Tyson.

But had Bradley traded just as he did in the Provodnikov fight, he probably would have KO'd JMM in the exchange. I thought this is the real JMM, not the JMM that KO'd Pac. This is the JMM with moderate power.

[Da Machine]

Bump!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussing the Marquez vs Bradley fight reminded me of this thread, how if you box pretty, but arent effective you can still get the round.

[bose]

I expect some of you to come in here and **** all over this thread. That's fine. It's clearly over your head.

But.............. I have seen this in the last two PPV main events now.. Floyd vs Canelo and Bradley vs Marquez.

Floyd won the fight., just not as easy as so many people were screaming. Minus CJ Ross, the scorecards for that fight were right on. 116-112, 117-111. Perfect scores for a fight where Mayweather controlled, but didn't dominate and did a little more in most rounds. But on the flip side of this, Mayweather had the appearance and composure of someone who was doing whatever he wanted. The crowd ooing and awwing everytime a straight right glanced off Canelo's gloves.

Same with Bradley vs Marquez. So many close rds that could go either way. I will use rds 5 and 6 as an example. Bradley showed great footwork and in and out movement. But go watch those rounds again. Bradley couldn't have thrown more then 10 power punches in 2 rds, landing maybe 1 or 2. What did he do right thought? Look composed, showed great movement, had a strut and swag about his look in the ring.

That is great too, and a good quality to have in the ring, but if you aren't actually doing anything it shouldn't be persuading scorecards so god damn much.

Agree or disagree.. Ive said my piece.

Agreed. Happens more than people wish to admit.

[IMDAZED]

Agreed. They call it ring generalship.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Some of this holds true in rounds where neither fighter are doing much. Some times jusges will reward the "sharper" looking fighter simply because there is not much else to go on.