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  • #11
    Originally posted by soul_survivor View Post
    Oh come on, he out landed Pov in every round, at times Pov was landing in single digits. Wlad also hit him with some HUGE right hands and left hooks, wobbling Pov on numerous occasions. Yes it wasn't pretty but it was effective. Wlad easily beat a guy ranked by many as the best heavy not named Klitschko. Deal with it.
    Look man, I have no particular love for Povetkin or dislike for Klitschko. I'm a boxing fan and that wasn't boxing.

    Of course he outlanded Povetkin, he hugged him any time Alexander was getting ready to throw. If someone Valuev's size did it to Wlad, I'd say the same thing. It isn't boxing. It is completely illegal and the referee was negligent in allowing it to continue. Pabon's name is dirt now and Wlad's rep. has taken a big knock globally.

    If you can't win a fair fight, don't fight at all. The sport has regulations.
    Last edited by Weebler I; 10-07-2013, 06:44 AM.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by The Weebler I View Post
      Look man, I have no particular love for Povetkin or dislike for Klitschko. I'm a boxing fan and that wasn't boxing.

      Of course he outlanded Povetkin, he hugged him any time Alexander was getting ready to throw. If someone Valuev's size did it to Wlad, I'd say the same thing. It isn't boxing. It is completely illegal and the referee was negligent in allowing it to continue. Pabon's name is dirt now and Wlad's rep. has taken a big knock globally.

      If you can't win a fair fight, don't fight at all. The sport has regulations.
      Yeah, that's true. We should blame the ref though, Wlad just did what he was allowed to do in order to win the fight, ugly as it was.

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      • #13
        It makes me quite laugh when I read the comments of those who all of a sudden wage war against W.Klitschko just because he had one average performance in 9 years. That's quite ridiculous. Wladimir won the clinches and the punches.

        I wonder if someone can tell me how should a taller guy deal with a shor pressure fighter that marches on. Tyson vs Lewis isn't the right type of fight as Tyson has a lot of lateral movements.

        Can someone please remind me what Tyson Fury did against Cunningham after he got knocked down?

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Dr.Eisenfaust View Post
          I wonder if someone can tell me how should a taller guy deal with a shor pressure fighter that marches on.
          How did Vitali deal with Chisora? he fought him on the backfoot and outboxed him to a sound points decision.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by The Weebler I View Post
            Look man, I have no particular love for Povetkin or dislike for Klitschko. I'm a boxing fan and that wasn't boxing.

            Of course he outlanded Povetkin, he hugged him any time Alexander was getting ready to throw. If someone Valuev's size did it to Wlad, I'd say the same thing. It isn't boxing. It is completely illegal and the referee was negligent in allowing it to continue. Pabon's name is dirt now and Wlad's rep. has taken a big knock globally.

            If you can't win a fair fight, don't fight at all. The sport has regulations.
            Like I said, lots of fighters have done this before, Lewis was booed out of several stadiums due to similar performances yet he is held in such high regard. The fact is, if Wlad was American or heavily invested in the US media, this would not be big news, yet it is, because Wlad has taken the heavyweight championship away from the US market and found big success and big money in Europe. There seems to be a lot of sour g****s in the media, thus influencing fans.

            Don't get me wrong, what Wlad did was ugly and several heavyweights through history would have done much better against someone like Pov but great fighters like Floyd, Hopkins and talented guys in Ward have this same hugging/clinching, built into their game. Why is it not such a issue? Wlad did it more than usual in this fight but it's not anything I haven't seen before by other current p4p stars.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by soul_survivor View Post
              Wlad: A Crown of Thorns

              There was a time when being heavyweight champion of the world meant universal adulation and recognition. The heavyweight champion was not only the premier fighter on the planet, he was also the baddest man on the planet, and for a time, "The Greatest". Boxing has changed a lot since the heyday of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Shavers and Holmes. The 1980s ushered in an era of multiple titles, the alphabet belts as they would come to be known, yet Mike Tyson, later succeeded by the likes of Evander Holyfield, Rid**** Bowe and Lennox Lewis, would work to unify belts and hold on to the once great lineage.

              Those days are long gone now and I don't think it's an exaggeration to claim that the current heavyweight era is the weakest in boxing history. Sadly, the king of this lost age is a highly skilled, very powerful and always professional champion, Wladimir Klitschko. The younger of the two most dominating brother's in the sports history has notched up a long reign with many, many title defenses. He has outclassed some of the pretenders and destroyed others. His reign is as emphatic as any that has come before but is it great? The question sits upon Wlad's head like a crown of thorns and on October the 5th, in Moscow, Wlad beat up what looks to be his last worthy challenger.

              The heavyweight division has a string of successors set to follow Alexander Povetkin on the road to Klitschko, chief amongst them are Britain's Tyson Fury and David Haye; the latter of which has already lost to Wlad in an ultimately anti-climactic battle. Europe provides further names in Kubrat Pulev and Robert Helenius, yet all these men are yet to prove themselves at the highest level and have never competed with the consistency that is required of a true challenger. This is definitely not Wlad's fault, there are few men even worthy of sharing a sentence with him, let a lone a ring and the fighter who was once stopped by the likes of Brewster and Sanders seems to have disappeared. The new Wlad is a machine, he no longer throws as many punches as he used to and he no longer takes unnecessary risks. Yet he may be poorer for it, Waldimir Klitschko may be the only heavyweight champion in history who is the victim of his own success.

              What Wlad achieved against Povetkin is a rarity in the sport: he thoroughly outclassed a previously unbeaten opponent and champion; they said the Russian would be his biggest test to date, Wlad himself tried to bill him that way but Povetkin was never on the same level. Is there anyone who is?How ever, that may not even be the biggest issue, there have been champions in the past who have fought in weak eras, think of Joe Louis' "Bum of the Month" club or Rocky Marciano's victories over practical OAPs. The difference this time out is that what Wlad does is ugly. He jumps on an opponent, pushes down on their neck and back, he tires them out due to sheer physical force and size rather than skill and technical ability. Don't get me wrong, he has the latter in spades but it seems that whenever he has a tough opponent in front of him, he goes into a shell. Gone are the combinations and the venom and in comes the pushing, shoving and holding.

              It should be noted that Lennox Lewis, widely regarded as the best heavyweight since Larry Holmes had a similar, shall we say, method(?) He too had suffered a knockout loss before the late great Manny Steward took over. The great Kronk's gym patriarch molded Lewis into a terrific defensive fighter. He taught Lewis all the tricks of the trades, the holding, the pushing and the pressing o#down on smaller guys. It worked and the man became undisputed champion. Steward repeated the trick with Wlad but where Lewis had names like Holyfield and Tyson to trade punches with and a sizable US audience, Wlad has no one of that calibre...and HBO doesn't seem to be his biggest fan. The network has often shunned both Klitschkos, not always wrongfully but when you look back at the career of Lewis and see that he often stunk the place out, it's hard to favour Wlad's black mark. Yes HBO have shown the odd fight, Haye and Povetkin being two but he has never been marketed to the American audience. He doesn't have that same adulation as champions of the past.

              The situation it seems, will not get any better. Wlad has cleared all relevant challengers, Povetkin was the last of any credible opponent. Haye may still be an opponent but do the fighters and the fight fans have an appetite for a repeat? Tyson Fury is loud and confident but will he make it through Haye? Pulev has shown he still needs work and Helenius is lost in the wilderness. For now, Wladimir Klitschko is the king of the heavyweights but his throne must be uncomfortable. He is derided in the US as a weak chinned pretender,his reign not recognised as legitimate. He needs a live dog, someone with bite and star power. The US may have that in Deontay Wilder but he has yet to face anyone with a pulse and his own punch resistance is largely untested. Much of Wlad's reign has been characterised by the search for the next heavyweight champion, yet we have a great one right in front of us. Yes he may not always deliver but he has skills, great technical ability, a huge heart, power and is a consummate professional who represents the sport like a man and not a hiphop wannabe. We should not take any of that for granted.
              It would be nice if you credited the author and the source of this article.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Scott9945 View Post
                It would be nice if you credited the author and the source of this article.
                I wrote it

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by soul_survivor View Post
                  I wrote it
                  Very well written, well balanced article

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by soul_survivor View Post
                    I wrote it
                    It appeared to be something copied from the web. Well written and my apologies for the mistake.

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                    • #20
                      Vlads a modern day messiah. Come to die for the sins of boxings past transgressions. Give me 10 hail clinchkos and you're sins shall be forgiven.

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