When exactly did work rate become part of the scoring criteria?

[prinzemanspopa]

So you're suggesting that Chavez controlled the pace of the fight?

I mean, I saw you mention 'ring generalship' in another thread. Just wondering if you thought Chavez lead in that department as well. Since you're so quick to tell everyone else that they don't know how to judge a fight.

Chavez deliberately fought at a measured pace, forced Vera into following him around the ring (Note: following, not cutting the ring off), picked his shots and delivered them with the sort of precision and accuracy that so clearly separated the two last night.



Looking at this as objectively as possible, you'd really struggle to give Vera more than four rounds (and even that seems generous - much like the scoring from the two Mora fights that he benefited from.)

[Citizen Koba]

Chavez deliberately fought at a measured pace, forced Vera into following him around the ring (Note: following, not cutting the ring off), picked his shots and delivered them with the sort of precision and accuracy that so clearly separated the two last night.



Looking at this as objectively as possible, you'd really struggle to give Vera more than four rounds (and even that seems generous - much like the scoring from the two Mora fights that he benefited from.)

I don't think that it's you who should be deciding how objective you are, see, cos' that automatically makes it subjective

The simple fact is that the majority of people who watched the fight considered that Vera won enough rounds to win the fight or at the very least get a draw. Are all of them subjective yet your good self and the judges objective?

[johnm is...]

Chavez deliberately fought at a measured pace, forced Vera into following him around the ring (Note: following, not cutting the ring off), picked his shots and delivered them with the sort of precision and accuracy that so clearly separated the two last night.



Looking at this as objectively as possible, you'd really struggle to give Vera more than four rounds (and even that seems generous - much like the scoring from the two Mora fights that he benefited from.)

That must have been it.

Chavez deliberately looked like ass, and landed one punch at a time. He's a god damn boxing genius.

[prinzemanspopa]

I don't think that it's you who should be deciding how objective you are, see, cos' that automatically makes it subjective

The simple fact is that the majority of people who watched the fight considered that Vera won enough rounds to win the fight or at the very least get a draw. Are all of them subjective yet your good self and the judges objective?

And the simple fact is that a large portion of those dis*****g the decision - or even worse, crying robbery - are continually using a criteria that does not exist with regards to judging a professional boxing match.



Besides, this topic goes far beyond the Chavez-Vera fight. This topic was mostly inspired by another topic on another forum that references the fact that this is a relatively new phenomenon. Something that coincided with the growing presence of the compubox system on television and the introduction of the computer scoring system in the amateurs.

[bojangles1987]

That must have been it.

Chavez deliberately looked like ass, and landed one punch at a time. He's a god damn boxing genius.

It was funny because you could hear the pain in Andre Ward's voice, knowing Chavez looked terrible and it was a real possibility Chavez was about to lose. He was probably as relieved as anyone in Chavez's corner about the verdict.

[prinzemanspopa]

That must have been it.

Chavez deliberately looked like ass, and landed one punch at a time. He's a god damn boxing genius.

Don't worry lad, you're not the first misguided individual to confuse plodding aggression with effective aggression. I was the same way when I started watching boxing two years ago.

[Deevel916]

If one fighter throws 100 punches in a round and lands 25 while the other throws 30 and lands 10, do u give it to the guy who actually pushed the fight, threw and landed more, or to the guy who landed at a higher percentage although threw and landed a lot less?

In that scenario I have to give it to the guy with the higher work rate.

[johnm is...]

Don't worry lad, you're not the first misguided individual to confuse plodding aggression with effective aggression. I was the same way when I started watching boxing two years ago.

Says the guy who thinks Chavez was "deliberately" gassed from the 3rd round on.

And all that looking to the ref for help? That must have been part of this master plan, too?

And screaming at the ref, before walking back to his corner like a beaten man? All part of the plan. That's ****ing brilliant.

Educate me, oh wise one.

[johnm is...]

Whining, crying, looking to the ref for help throughout the fight. Letting the smaller man out work you, push you back, out land you, and control the pace of the fight.

That's the fight plan of a god damn champion, right there.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Whining, crying, looking to the ref for help throughout the fight. Letting the smaller man out work you, push you back, out land you, and control the pace of the fight.

That's the fight plan of a god damn champion, right there.

Chavez deliberately threw one punch at a time and deliberately looked gassed while Vera pretty out fought him...you dont know ****