Once again Skills rule,, will to win doesnt

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Tell that to Ortiz.

Why would i tell it to ortiz,, he doesnt possess skills to win, and i wont say he doesnt have the will to win because of the berto fight, but ortiz did quit vs maidana and didnt want to win there......

[ElMeroChingon]

Why would i tell it to ortiz,, he doesnt possess skills to win, and i wont say he doesnt have the will to win because of the berto fight, but ortiz did quit vs maidana and didnt want to win there......

Ortiz does have skills to win, just acts like a biotch at times. He's won with those skills plenty of times when he didn't have to show heart. But the minute his oppenent shows him no respect, he gets beat.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ortiz does have skills to win, just acts like a biotch at times. He's won with those skills plenty of times when he didn't have to show heart. But the minute his oppenent shows him no respect, he gets beat.

he has skills enough to beat c level fighters and old shot guys like campell,,

put him in with floyd, manny, canelo, ghost, cotto, broner, and he would get beat up and outclassed.....

outside of the berto fight,, what top level guy has ortiz beat.... and thats being generous to berto calling him top level guy

[jvsnypes]

Most boxing fans realize that skills is the best trait to have,,, skills pay the bills is the saying,,,,

yet i have seen numerous posters state that skills dont matter, its the will to win, and will to win will overcome skills...

I think that is horrible logic...

just look at saturday night- do you think garcia wanted it more than lucas, or floyd wanted it more than canelo...

both canelo and lucas showed up to fight,, both had the will to win, but their skills are not on the level of floyd and danny,,,
Once again- skills pay the bills, and will to win had nothing to do with it.....

lucas started strong but he couldnt land the big shots he wanted to on danny, and even when he did, danny showed great chin and mental toughness to counter lucas and slowly break him down,, and even scored a kd on the machine...

same thing with floyd and canelo... canelo came in the ring in great shape, never gassed like how he had done in previous fights, fought his heart out, but floyd just too skilled in every facet of the game, and turned canelo into a sparring partner...

So from now on, when people act like skills dont matter, that its the will to win, just know that they have no idea what they are talking about.....

Skills usually always trump power and aggressiveness: there are exceptions like mayorga vs forrest, or margs vs cotto, but about 90% of the time the more skilled fighter wins.....


Skills pay the Bills: Will to win does not

Skills are huge in any professional sport. Mastering your craft should be any athletes motivation. But skills alone doesn't make a fighter great. It just so happens Floyd is a great fighter that has mastered his craft. He has all the intangibles to be great as well. I look at a guy like Holyfield. Was it his skills that made him great, or his heart and will to win? How about Ali? He had skills, but what stands out in your mind when it comes to those fighters? How about Ray Leonard? Had all the skills in the world, but his heart and will to win is what made him great. You need more than just skill when you are truly tested. By Floyd relying strictly on his skill to win most of his fights should tell you something. He's fighting C and B class opponents. When he fought an A level guy like Cotto, he had to dig deep. He willed himself to win that fight because Cotto came with an excellent fight plan and was determined himself. There is no fighter more skilled than James Toney. But because he wasn't always dedicated and was sometimes unfocused, he never reached true greatness. His skills alone could not take him to the next level. And please don't say that his skill set was not on the same level as Floyd or Hopkins. Honestly, I think he was just as good defensively and better offensively. Floyd's skills have made him a very wealthy man. And he has done it by fighting overly matched opponents, so of course his skills shine. But lets see what happens when he fights a young guy with skill and speed. Just as he did with Cotto, he will be forced to dig deep and his will to win will have to carry him through. Is it just a coincidence that Floyd hasn't fought a skilled athletic black fighter in his recent fights??? Or does he know that they have the style to give him fits at 37 years old. Trust me, you may not think highly of Lara, Alexander, Bradley, and Broner. And, you don't have to. But guess who does??? Floyd's management. They will avoid those fighters for the huge pay days the Mexican and Mexican Americans bring to the table. Floyd will stay undefeated until he's 45 fighting those style of fighters. But do you remember an older Leonard fighting a younger Norris? Remember the results??? How about Roy fighting Tarver? Remember the results??? Well...no more needs to be said.

[#YOLO]

Skill+will is even better..something all four competitors this last weekend had. I know it may be hard for the mentally challenged to realize it, but there must be a loser in every fight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Skills are huge in any professional sport. Mastering your craft should be any athletes motivation. But skills alone doesn't make a fighter great. It just so happens Floyd is a great fighter that has mastered his craft. He has all the intangibles to be great as well. I look at a guy like Holyfield. Was it his skills that made him great, or his heart and will to win? How about Ali? He had skills, but what stands out in your mind when it comes to those fighters? How about Ray Leonard? Had all the skills in the world, but his heart and will to win is what made him great. You need more than just skill when you are truly tested. By Floyd relying strictly on his skill to win most of his fights should tell you something. He's fighting C and B class opponents. When he fought an A level guy like Cotto, he had to dig deep. He willed himself to win that fight because Cotto came with an excellent fight plan and was determined himself. There is no fighter more skilled than James Toney. But because he wasn't always dedicated and was sometimes unfocused, he never reached true greatness. His skills alone could not take him to the next level. And please don't say that his skill set was not on the same level as Floyd or Hopkins. Honestly, I think he was just as good defensively and better offensively. Floyd's skills have made him a very wealthy man. And he has done it by fighting overly matched opponents, so of course his skills shine. But lets see what happens when he fights a young guy with skill and speed. Just as he did with Cotto, he will be forced to dig deep and his will to win will have to carry him through. Is it just a coincidence that Floyd hasn't fought a skilled athletic black fighter in his recent fights??? Or does he know that they have the style to give him fits at 37 years old. Trust me, you may not think highly of Lara, Alexander, Bradley, and Broner. And, you don't have to. But guess who does??? Floyd's management. They will avoid those fighters for the huge pay days the Mexican and Mexican Americans bring to the table. Floyd will stay undefeated until he's 45 fighting those style of fighters. But do you remember an older Leonard fighting a younger Norris? Remember the results??? How about Roy fighting Tarver? Remember the results??? Well...no more needs to be said.

you make alot of good points,,,,

all im trying to say is that usually at the top level most guys want to win badly,,,, at the end of the day skills will be the deciding factor in 90% of the fights,,,,,

Srl was shot when he fought norris,, and norris was a very skilled fighter, and roy was great but honestly he never was fundamentally sound as say a floyd or hopkins,,, Roy dominated because his surreal athletic prowess and his high ring IQ..

Evander holyfield had great skills for a cruiser/heavy... he had beautiful combination punching in his prime.... Yes he had a huge heart but that is why he is an ATG,,, same goes for leonard.....

Safe to say when skill levels are the same,, heart and will power will decide the winner ala leonard-hearns or hearns-hagler

less than 1% of fighters are ATGs,, and all great fighters possess a great will to win, but they also have top notch skills....

when will-power is even then skills usually trump,,,

Hatton and chavez fought their hearts out and wanted to win badly,,, floyd also wanted to win badly and he had the better skills hence why he won..

yes there will always be exceptions like mayorga vs forrest or mccall and rahman vs lewis,, but for the most part skills are the deciding factor...

look at froch vs ward,,, froch has great will power, but his skills couldnt stand up vs ward..

floyd dug deep vs cotto, but cotto also dug deep as well,, both guys wanted to win badly,,, but floyd has more skills,,,,

same thing with cotto-torres,,,,, Torres came to fight, had huge will to win, yet cotto was more skilled and stopped him....

just like how lucas came in with a huge will to win, but so did danny and the guy with better skillset won- Danny

[Pez]

it's stupid to say either matters more than the other. skills is the better trait to have but it's not a sure thing. take mayweather's fighters for example, bey, theophane, smith, love, all of them were obviously the more skilled fighter in their fights but they were all bested by their lesser skilled opponents.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

it's stupid to say either matters more than the other. skills is the better trait to have but it's not a sure thing. take mayweather's fighters for example, bey, theophane, smith, love, all of them were obviously the more skilled fighter in their fights but they were all bested by their lesser skilled opponents.

Thats why i said 90% of the time,,, there will always be exceptions, but when you have watched boxing for over 30 years, you will notice that more times than not,, the skillful guy wins- especially at the top level...

Theopane looks skilled but he is a C level fighter, same goes for love....

Guys can look like they have skills, but in actuality they dont that the skill traits of ring generalship, and defense,,, love and theopane both greatly lack in those departments....

ring generalship seperates good slick boxers like chemito,judah and spinks from the real elite boxers like rigo, ward, floyd and hopkins

if you dont have great ring generalship there is no way for you to keep guys off you for all 12.....