Hopkins is my dude but tactically I always believed he is overrated as a tactician

[therealpugilist]

Hopkins tactically takes his opposition out of their game plan and forces them to fight his fight a la his rematch with Roy Jones Junior, hence why he was able to look much better than Jones given their diminished respective natural abilities.

Dude Hopkins won cause he had more left in the tank. Jones was more shot than a 72 pinto...if the rematch happened before both are getting regular prostate checks I doubt Hopkins would have won. He also priced himself out. How can you expect pay parity when Jones was the champ and already had a win. The only reason the rematch happen was both mans pride. Jones thought I beat him once I can again. Hopkins though I got him where I want him like calzaghe. Jones want half of what he once was and suffered baaaaad Kayo defeats before he fought both

[!! Shawn]

Keeping it close on the score cards isnt what they fight for. Simply put I was stating that Hopkins though reputed for his tactical skills and IQ has trouble dealing with a particular style and overcoming it.

Floyd has dealt with darn near every conceavable style and disadvantage....height, reach, fight night weight, even ring size, Has fought freakishly tall guys for the weights NDO(a swarmer), Corrales(Boxer-puncher with huge power), and Genaro Hernandez( a boxer a fighter)


As far as styles he hasnt had it easy and fought most if not all....Hatton was the best swarmer, body puncher of the era....Jose Luis Castillo was the best pressure fighter and mind you educated pressure, he didnt waste many punches....Judah was a slick southpaw with power, Ortiz was an attacking southpaw with one punch power and a 15 pound size advantage...counterpunchers like Judah, Oscar, Corley....Pressure fighters like Jesus Chavez and Carlos Hernandez...power punchers like Corrales, Corrales, Mosley.


Difference is Mayweather has proven he is a great tactician while having some disadvantages he is smart to change tactics

Hatton was a poor mans Miguel Cotto. The Hatton fight was always a duck of Cotto... ALWAYS.

Castillo was never the best... Castillo's entire career notoriety comes from the losing effort against Corrales, a SD against Casamayor, and MD upsets over Stevie Johnston.

Outside of giving Floyd fits, he did nothing of note. A alphabet world champion with a total of 4 title defenses.

Thats it...

The only legitimately fast, athletic fighter we have seen Floyd in the right with has been Zab Judah, and Floyd was losing up until Zab fell apart mentally, like he did in all of his fights past 4 rounds up until that point.

[AztecWanker]

Hatton was a poor mans Miguel Cotto. The Hatton fight was always a duck of Cotto... ALWAYS.

Castillo was never the best... Castillo's entire career notoriety comes from the losing effort against Corrales, a SD against Casamayor, and MD upsets over Stevie Johnston.

Outside of giving Floyd fits, he did nothing of note. A alphabet world champion with a total of 4 title defenses.

Thats it...

The only legitimately fast, athletic fighter we have seen Floyd in the right with has been Zab Judah, and Floyd was losing up until Zab fell apart mentally, like he did in all of his fights past 4 rounds up until that point.

That's a pretty fucking solid run if you aks me.

[!! Shawn]

That's a pretty fucking solid run if you aks me.

Its a solid run, but its not the kind of solid run that is worthy of the mystical super god invincible master of the universe labels that people try and put on him to make Floyd look better.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Keeping it close on the score cards isnt what they fight for. Simply put I was stating that Hopkins though reputed for his tactical skills and IQ has trouble dealing with a particular style and overcoming it.

Floyd has dealt with darn near every conceavable style and disadvantage....height, reach, fight night weight, even ring size, Has fought freakishly tall guys for the weights NDO(a swarmer), Corrales(Boxer-puncher with huge power), and Genaro Hernandez( a boxer a fighter)


As far as styles he hasnt had it easy and fought most if not all....Hatton was the best swarmer, body puncher of the era....Jose Luis Castillo was the best pressure fighter and mind you educated pressure, he didnt waste many punches....Judah was a slick southpaw with power, Ortiz was an attacking southpaw with one punch power and a 15 pound size advantage...counterpunchers like Judah, Oscar, Corley....Pressure fighters like Jesus Chavez and Carlos Hernandez...power punchers like Corrales, Corrales, Mosley.


Difference is Mayweather has proven he is a great tactician while having some disadvantages he is smart to change tactics

wtf is this bs?

[_Gatti_]

Hopkins is a living legend. He has done what most fight couldnt. Love him or hate him...he deserves that respect.

[Sttuddahboy619]

I accidentally voted yes. Correction: NO

[therealpugilist]

That's a pretty fucking solid run if you aks me.

Castillo has the best resume at lightweight in the past 10+ years...wins over Corrales, Diaz, Casamayor, Paez, Johnston, Bazan, all former champions and a 2 time WBC champion and lineal champion

On Mayweather he has shown the ability to adjust in fights when what he basic game plan isnt working....watch Hatton, Cotto, Castillo 1 and 2, and the Judah fights all had different styles and floyd changed his tacticswhy are you guys making this a Mayweather thread...yet again smh


this isnt to the guy I quoted but to other posters on this thread
I've already realized a lot of people have reading comprehension problems on the web site and most really DKSAB and just repeat what someone they heard has said


Half the people that posted on this thread dont know the difference between tactics and technique....before you commit on a topic at least know what you are talking about.

[therealpugilist]

Hatton was a poor mans Miguel Cotto. The Hatton fight was always a duck of Cotto... ALWAYS.

Castillo was never the best... Castillo's entire career notoriety comes from the losing effort against Corrales, a SD against Casamayor, and MD upsets over Stevie Johnston.

Outside of giving Floyd fits, he did nothing of note. A alphabet world champion with a total of 4 title defenses.

Thats it...

The only legitimately fast, athletic fighter we have seen Floyd in the right with has been Zab Judah, and Floyd was losing up until Zab fell apart mentally, like he did in all of his fights past 4 rounds up until that point.

1)this isnt about Mayweather this is about Hopkins.


2) A GREAT tactician can deal with every style he HAS faced with and adjust in the fight or the rematch.

3) Face it, aggressive guys are tailor made for Hopkins as are physically smaller guys, Hopkins was a huge middleweight...who has a solid defense, techique and boxing skills....when he is required to fight outside of his comfort zone and the be the aggressor he faultors...He doesnt change his tactics to nullify what he opponent does best like his reputation suggest. He has great technique and a high ring IQ but is he one of the greatest tacticians, no...he doesnt change his style.

[pesticid]

I just don't see how anybody can say that Floyd Mayweather is a better tactician than BHop given their resumes. Floyd has a good resume but it doesn't hold water next to Bhop's resume and I don't even like the old man.

The only explosive, athletic fighter with skills and speed, and of similar size that Mayweather has faced was Judah. Floyd has also never been at a disadvantage as far as the speed factor.

Let's look at who Bhop has faced: Taylor; Calzaghe; Tarver; Chad Dawson; Roy Jones; Winky Wright; Pavlik; Pascal; DLH ; Cloud; Tito and these guys were all in their prime and with the exceptions of Tarver; Cloud and Pavlik better athletes with more speed and explosiveness.

Mayweather is great but his second real test comes this Sep 14th against Canelo. His last real test against a strong champion with great skills was at 135 against Castillo. I think Canelo is better.