My Top 20 All Time

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Yikes is all I can say.

agreed, terrible list.......

[soul_survivor]

agreed, terrible list.......

please, do tell me who should be ranked there who I haven't already ranked and where they should place. I'd be interested in seeing your list also.

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please, do tell me who should be ranked there who I haven't already ranked and where they should place. I'd be interested in seeing your list also.

Pernell Whitaker is way too low. He should be well ahead of Hopkins who is way too high. So is Julio Cesar Chavez. Marciano and Lewis too high. So are de la Hoya, Barrera, Trinidad. Mayweather way too low. Toney too high. Jones should be a lot closer to Hopkins who I’m not convinced should be rated higher. Seriously, I could go on, so where do you want to begin?

[soul_survivor]

Pernell Whitaker is way too low. He should be well ahead of Hopkins who is way too high. So is Julio Cesar Chavez. Marciano and Lewis too high. So are de la Hoya, Barrera, Trinidad. Mayweather way too low. Toney too high. Jones should be a lot closer to Hopkins who I’m not convinced should be rated higher. Seriously, I could go on, so where do you want to begin?

well I want you to post your list of 50 guys and the criteria of how you placed them. This list is made as accurately and as objectively as possible with the criteria I have. I think your major problem is the ranking of Mayweather. Which is fine, you love him but I prefer to stay objective.

In terms of Whitaker, he doesn't have the best resume around, although his skill level is right near the top. Outside of the Chavez draw and losses to Oscar and Tito, which other great fighters did he face? Guys like Nelson and Ramirez were good fighters but not exactly great. Far from it in fact. So a good resume it is but not a great one, and that scores negatively when compared to other resumes. I can't justify him being higher than the likes of Pacquiao or Chavez Sr or Hearns or Hagler. Can you? If yes, why?

Hopkins may be in a similar boat, not the greatest resume but good wins, a sprinkling of great fighters (Oscar, Tito, Jones) but a very lengthy title run, every middleweight belt around his waist and a decade long reign. Not to mention his longevity, he has beaten quality operators and often by a large margin, when he is well over the age of 40. That balances it out and places him higher.

If you really want credence in this argument, you should at the very least post a researched, objective top 10 with write ups on each guy and what your criteria is.

In terms of my own list, as I've mentioned several times before, I am in the process of updating it and will have some names higher but the differences are unlikely to be huge.

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You posted your list I'm assuming so others could provide feedback. Or was it to challenge everyone else to post theirs if they disputed yours? Even if they did that, ultimately we would end up having this same conversation about where they should be placed. So don't take it wrong, I appreciate you taking the time to put this list together.

To start, you say Whitaker doesn't have the resume. Can you explain how Chavez's is better?

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And for the record, Nelson was a great fighter. McGirt very good -- prime, top 5 pound for pounder when Whitaker fought him in his fourth weight class.

[soul_survivor]

And for the record, Nelson was a great fighter. McGirt very good -- prime, top 5 pound for pounder when Whitaker fought him in his fourth weight class.

You posted your list I'm assuming so others could provide feedback. Or was it to challenge everyone else to post theirs if they disputed yours? Even if they did that, ultimately we would end up having this same conversation about where they should be placed. So don't take it wrong, I appreciate you taking the time to put this list together.

To start, you say Whitaker doesn't have the resume. Can you explain how Chavez's is better?

Discussions are all well and good and my original reply was to a guy saying the list was crap, I simply stated, he should provide his own list and then you posted, so I gave you the same reasoning. Criticising lists are fine, I've done the same here but I always provide an alternative. One can not say a list is wrong and then not provide an alternative with in depth reasoning.

And back to Whitaker, Nelson was not a great fighter, certainly not ATG and genuinely approaching the end of his career at the top. He was very good though and like I said, WHitaker has a lot of very good names on his resume but just one great win (should have got the JCC decision) and two losses against two other ATGs.

I dunno how or who ranked McGirt top 5 p4p, read that back over, it sounds like madness. Absolute madness but either way, in the early 90s there was a changing of the guard in boxing and I can see a young fighter like Mcgirt getting that ranking. Still doesn't make him a great fighter. Do you honestly believe McGirt was ATG?

Chavez, much like Whitaker, doesn't have a resume of great names but he has far more very good names than Whitaker, Chavez cleared out superfeatherweight, had tonnes of defences and beat a lot of the guys Whitaker would face later and beat then better, normally by stoppage. Add to that wins over a prime Taylor (controversial but a stoppage none the less) and a very good version of Camacho, and it raises Chavez's resume. Add to that his longevity, far greater than Whitaker and more championships defenses in multiple divisions and ****, it's why Chavez is higher.

Would you really argue with me that Whitaker has a better resume than say Manny Pacquiao who is ranked higher than him? Or a bigger ,more important impact on boxing than say Foreman? Those are arguments you have to prove if you believe Whitaker should be higher, although being in a top 50 is exceptional in itself, considering there have literally been thousands of fighters in the last 100 years.

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Where do I start?

Nelson was a great fighter, a first ballot Hall of Famer I should add. Defeated Gomez in PR for his world title, made a combined 14 defenses of titles at 126 and 130 over a who's who of featherweights. And I don't understand the past his prime comment. After the loss to Pea, Nelson went on to have his career best win over an undefeated three division champ in Jeff Fenech and a decision over future champ Calvin Grove. Nelson came out of retirement at 37 (a super featherweight!) to stop Leija and Ruelas in successive bouts to win the title again. He wasn't great? You're in the minority and just wrong.

You read write regarding McGirt. He was considered one of the best fighters in the world. Ranked #5 pound for pound when Whitaker fought him. An excellent champ. Never said he was an ATG but what prime ATG did Chavez beat? Yet you rank him well ahead of Whitaker who, by the way, also beat him.