Is 30 the new 20 in boxing?

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  • -Huey-
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    #21
    Originally posted by hayZ
    Only because they haven't fought many fights in their career as a pro. Rigo has had loads of Amateur fights but I doubt hes taken much punishment with his style.
    So...then explain JMM.

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    • A_Jeffrey
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      #22
      All the hw are just entering prime at 35 these days lol. Big Vit is 42-43 and still holds a title. Wladimir 37 and looks better then ever

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      • ИATAS
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        #23
        Originally posted by Frank Ducketts
        Do you think that these guys who started making noise at 30 years of age would've been as good as they were, say age 23?

        Do you think that the 4 guys that I mentioned above could've made an impact at Broner or Canelo's age(23). I think Canelo and Broner are 24 now, but do you?
        Obviously Rigondeaux and Golovkin could have as their amateur records were phenomenal. Not sure about Kovalev .

        Again I'd like to point out Canelo has been pro for just about 9 years as well. He's been a pro far longer than GGG, Rigo & Kovalev yet only recently took a real step up when he fought Trout. His title before than was a paper title (won it by beating Matt Hatton who wasn't even at 154 pounds). Broner has one real legit title which he won from DeMarco.

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        • Russian Crushin
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          #24
          Originally posted by ИATAS
          Obviously Rigondeaux and Golovkin could have as their amateur records were phenomenal. Not sure about Kovalev .

          Again I'd like to point out Canelo has been pro for just about 9 years as well. He's been a pro far longer than GGG, Rigo & Kovalev yet only recently took a real step up when he fought Trout. His title before than was a paper title (won it by beating Matt Hatton who wasn't even at 154 pounds). Broner has one real legit title which he won from DeMarco.
          Kovalev was 193-22 as an amateur. He was a quality fighter but could not beat the top guys like Matt Korobov and Artur Beterbiev, 2 russian standouts and top world amateurs. He also moved up very quickly in the ranks to where he is today, just 4 years.

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          • Frank Ducketts
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            #25
            Originally posted by ИATAS
            Obviously Rigondeaux and Golovkin could have as their amateur records were phenomenal. Not sure about Kovalev .

            Again I'd like to point out Canelo has been pro for just about 9 years as well. He's been a pro far longer than GGG, Rigo & Kovalev yet only recently took a real step up when he fought Trout. His title before than was a paper title (won it by beating Matt Hatton who wasn't even at 154 pounds). Broner has one real legit title which he won from DeMarco.
            So GG beats Taylor, Pavlik or maybe Abraham, and Rigo beats or competes with Mabuza, Raf Marquez, Izzy Vasquez, or Juan Marquez at fw? That's all I'm asking.

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            • ИATAS
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              #26
              Originally posted by Frank Ducketts
              So GG beats Taylor, Pavlik or maybe Abraham, and Rigo beats or competes with Mabuza, Raf Marquez, Izzy Vasquez, or Juan Marquez at fw? That's all I'm asking.
              Possibly. But Broner and Canelo sure as hell haven't fought opposition like that. Broners best win is DeMarco that would be like GGG beating Edison Miranda and Canelo hasn't fought anyone really besides Trout which he arguably lost.

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              • Sam Donald
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                #27
                Good question.

                I think it's really to do with amateur experience.

                Guys like GGG were probably not ready to turn pro at the age of 18/19 so they decided to stay in the amateurs and gain the valuable experience for them to succeed as he is doing now.

                However, somebody like Broner was ready for the pros at a young age..if he decided to stick as an amateur for a longer period..I think he would have wasted a lot of his career and prime.

                To answer your question, I don't think GGG/Kovalev/Rig would be successful at age 23 because they're the type of fighters today who very much needed that vital am experience or gym exp before turning pro.

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                • KickAzz
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                  #28
                  A lot of boxers are being handled very carefully

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                  • Frank Ducketts
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by ИATAS
                    Possibly. But Broner and Canelo sure as hell haven't fought opposition like that. Broners best win is DeMarco that would be like GGG beating Edison Miranda and Canelo hasn't fought anyone really besides Trout which he arguably lost.
                    Look, just forget what I said about Broner and Canelo. Don't even mention them. Now I'd love to see what you have to say. I'm not joking. I'd love to hear your answer.

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                    • Frank Ducketts
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Sam Donald
                      Good question.

                      I think it's really to do with amateur experience.

                      Guys like GGG were probably not ready to turn pro at the age of 18/19 so they decided to stay in the amateurs and gain the valuable experience for them to succeed as he is doing now.

                      However, somebody like Broner was ready for the pros at a young age..if he decided to stick as an amateur for a longer period..I think he would have wasted a lot of his career and prime.

                      To answer your question, I don't think GGG/Kovalev/Rig would be successful at age 23 because they're the type of fighters today who very much needed that vital am experience or gym exp before turning pro.
                      Good post.

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