PR Prospects are being lead by the blind..

[torosboxing75]

I remember they were gonna have Jayson Velez fight Ponce, way too soon !

Yeah for real who's the promoters that are doing this?
As soon as they mentioned the Velez vs Ponce fight I said that's a big mistake he's not ready.

[torosboxing75]

Felix Verdejo looks strong.

If they rush him he'll get ****ed up to. Any fighter that is in the beginning of their career and gets thrown in with a veteran it's very bad promoting.

[baya]

That's part of the problem. The other part is that they just aren't that good. Idk wtf is gong on with Puerto Rico.

how do you deduce this when they're stepping up too soon, i'm interested in your rationale. especially given the fact that we've historically handed mexicans their asses on a pretty consistent basis ... save for the last 5 years which have been nothing short of horrendous, albeit great for the other side. mf'ers are just being impatient in the developmental stages of careers and it's killing the buzz.

[Russian Crushin]

I don't really have a problem with it. Those are the type of fighters you need to be able to beat to be a great fighter. PR fighters seem to lack toughness

[pvj]

One issue with your padded record theory. Mexico does not have an established amatuer system in place. When you include this with their economy, or lack of, it's no wonder many turn pro young and are forced to learn their craft as professionals. It's more of a gradual transition.

Puerto Rico has the benefit of a solid amatuer system (like the USA), so you really can't compare a Puerto Rican Prospect with 13 fights to a Mexican prospect with 13 fights. The Puerto Rican should be much more refined, he should be a lot closer to a finished product than his Mexican counter part.

Case in point, Canelo and Gonzales are basically the same age (Canelo is like 8 or 9 months older) and while Canelo's resume may have a lot of unfamiliar names on it, it's still much stronger than that of Gonzalez and they are at same point of their career age wise.

So to insinuate that Canelo, who was forced to fight pro when he was like 15years old. has taken an easier route, it's pretty silly. And even if so, it beats the alternative, getting ko'd rather easily in your 13 fight against a washed up fighter in an EZ IN motel lobby!

Perhpas the issue with Puerto Rico is not Puerto Rico, but the rest of the world? Back in the days they were key players, right behind USA and Mexico, but now countries like Argentina, Philipines, Japan,
Germany, etc, have become contenders and have removed much of the spotlight from Puerto Rico. Don't get me wrong, it's still a boxing rich island, but the sport now resides on all corners of the planet, finding, or redefining your niche will be difficult/interesting.

[pvj]

how do you deduce this when they're stepping up too soon, i'm interested in your rationale. especially given the fact that we've historically handed mexicans their asses on a pretty consistent basis ... save for the last 5 years which have been nothing short of horrendous, albeit great for the other side. mf'ers are just being impatient in the developmental stages of careers and it's killing the buzz.

Wow, that's one hell of a buzz!!! what types of drugs is La Perla cooking up these days?

please put the pipe down for a second ...you have, and I repeat, YOU HAVE NEVER HANDED THE MEXICANS THEIR ***** on a pretty consistent basis! It was once a good competitive rivalary, but those days are long gone!!!!!!! Your last relevant win, on a major level, was Tito over Oscar and even that fight is questionable at best.

...ok, continue smoking.

[baya]

Wow, that's one hell of a buzz!!! what types of drugs is La Perla cooking up these days?

please put the pipe down for a second ...you have, and I repeat, YOU HAVE NEVER HANDED THE MEXICANS THEIR ***** on a pretty consistent basis! It was once a good competitive rivalary, but those days are long gone!!!!!!! Your last relevant win, on a major level, was Tito over Oscar and even that fight is questionable at best.

...ok, continue smoking.

i'll bite - however, i won't bother myself with finding those stats but in championship bouts (there is a thread on it), we have you beat or maybe you've achieved parity with our dismal display as of the last 5 years.

last major win? just going to pretend that vargas didn't happen, that pdl / juanma didn't happen ... how about margarito cotto II or or ... come on, if you're going to insult at the very least, have an idea of what it is you're talking about. disassociation isn't real, it's in your head

[humanpunchingbg]

One issue with your padded record theory. Mexico does not have an established amatuer system in place. When you include this with their economy, or lack of, it's no wonder many turn pro young and are forced to learn their craft as professionals. It's more of a gradual transition.

Puerto Rico has the benefit of a solid amatuer system (like the USA), so you really can't compare a Puerto Rican Prospect with 13 fights to a Mexican prospect with 13 fights. The Puerto Rican should be much more refined, he should be a lot closer to a finished product than his Mexican counter part.

I agree with this. Gonzales seemed like seasoned pro compared to Segura. I think it was more of Segura's good chin and relentless pressure/power that won him the fight and less of Gonzalez's inexperience, a few more fights could've helped but I still think he would've lost.

[whitealltrac]

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I agree with this. Gonzales seemed like seasoned pro compared to Segura. I think it was more of Segura's good chin and relentless pressure/power that won him the fight and less of Gonzalez's inexperience, a few more fights could've helped but I still think he would've lost.

The problem with Gonzalez lays on the fact that they had Calderon sparing him and teaching him what to do....this from a guy who lost TWICE against Segura...smfh that was damn nuts. Fact is Bomba was even fighting a Calderon type fight and I can tell you that was perfect for Segura who capitalized on it on a easy fashion.

Now getting back to subject...........money hungry promoters are rushing our young talented boxers thinking the next Trinidad will be born out of a 13-0-11 prospect. Not everyone is born with that type of talent.....that is 1 in God knows the %.

I just saw Verdejo live here at the Bethlehem Sands and I see something special on him but I only hope he is guided the right way.

We are still loooking decent with our prospects but it is time to go back to the drawing board.

My two cents.....

[SAN D13GO VILLAN]

Was juanma not ready for Salido too? I was thinking lopez was next Boricua superstar but boy was I wrong.