David Haye fighting men 30-100 pounds heavier his entire HW Career. Underrated.

[Tommo1]

Wlad probably has the best jab in boxing history, yes probably better than Lennox's. Just splitting hairs though really, both had great jabs.

David is of course underrated. He is the 2nd best boxer in the world today, how can he NOT be underrated!

[LacedUp]

Byrd, surely.

H2H povetkin/haye is a very close call IMO.

I don't agree, but each to his own.

Wlad probably has the best jab in boxing history, yes probably better than Lennox's. Just splitting hairs though really, both had great jabs.

David is of course underrated. He is the 2nd best boxer in the world today, how can he NOT be underrated!

Is that you heavyweight blogger? Where's your stats?

Wlad does not have the best jab in the heavyweight division, not even close. And neither does Lennox.

[Simurgh]

I don't agree, but each to his own.



Is that you heavyweight blogger? Where's your stats?

Wlad does not have the best jab in the heavyweight division, not even close. And neither does Lennox.

It is one of the best ever. I would choose only Ali's jab over it. Holmes's jab might be on pair.

[LacedUp]

It is one of the best ever. I would choose only Ali's jab over it. Holmes's jab might be on pair.

No it's not. Ali's jab is not the best either.

[Simurgh]

No it's not. Ali's jab is not the best either.

Ok give me top5 jabs in HW then.

[paulf]

Haye is a pretty good fighter. He's been hugely overrated and underrated in his career. I liked his gameplan against Wladimir; make Wlad miss and steal rounds with a few big shots, but Wladimir was simply better and shut him down.

[LacedUp]

Ok give me top5 jabs in HW then.

1. Sonny Liston (people got their teeth knocked out by his jab) - he had that jab that really smashed his opponents head back.

2. Larry Holmes - Not as powerful as Liston's but look at the Norton fight how he doubled and tripled that powerful left hand in quick succession. Nobody does that nowadays or since.

3. Prime Rid**** Bowe - Probably more powerful than Holmes' jab, but not as quick. It was a hammer, look at his fights vs Holyfield and Tyrell Biggs as an example. Even when he was fat and out of shape vs Golota he still had an awesome jab.

4. Muhammad Ali - Probably the quickest jab in history, but thrown technically bad. He really developed his jab late in his career, as in after Liston, where he started to understand the true value of the jab. he threw it from the side, almost with side of his hand, but started to get the grasp of it just before he was put in excile.

5. George Foreman - Hugely underrated jabber. Look at his fights vs Tommy Morrison, Shannon Briggs and Michael Moorer as examples. Smashed it right in their faces, like a straight right. Also developed late in his career, as in after his comeback.

NOTE: *Ali could arguably take 3rd. And notables that missed out were Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis and Wlad 00-05.

[Simurgh]

1. Sonny Liston (people got their teeth knocked out by his jab) - he had that jab that really smashed his opponents head back.

2. Larry Holmes - Not as powerful as Liston's but look at the Norton fight how he doubled and tripled that powerful left hand in quick succession. Nobody does that nowadays or since.

3. Prime Rid**** Bowe - Probably more powerful than Holmes' jab, but not as quick. It was a hammer, look at his fights vs Holyfield and Tyrell Biggs as an example. Even when he was fat and out of shape vs Golota he still had an awesome jab.

4. Muhammad Ali - Probably the quickest jab in history, but thrown technically bad. He really developed his jab late in his career, as in after Liston, where he started to understand the true value of the jab. he threw it from the side, almost with side of his hand, but started to get the grasp of it just before he was put in excile.

5. George Foreman - Hugely underrated jabber. Look at his fights vs Tommy Morrison, Shannon Briggs and Michael Moorer as examples. Smashed it right in their faces, like a straight right. Also developed late in his career, as in after his comeback.

NOTE: *Ali could arguably take 3rd. And notables that missed out were Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis and Wlad 00-05.

I forgot Liston. Yes his jab was extraordinary. Not just because of stiffness but his reach - top3 for sure.

Holmes's jab is not better than Wlad's IMO.

Bowe, well that's interesting, I haven't watched him in a long time. But recalling Holyfields fights I don't think his jab was his main weapon.

Ali's jab is the best HW jab IMO.

I wouldn't put Foreman's jab in top5. Just not fast enough. It doesn't matter how strong it is, he wouldn't be able to touch Haye with it.

As for Lennox, Louis, Lennox. I would put Wlad, Lennox, Louis.

So my list would go : Ali, Liston, Wlad, Holmes, Lennox.

[LacedUp]

I forgot Liston. Yes his jab was extraordinary. Not just because of stiffness but his reach - top3 for sure.

Holmes's jab is not better than Wlad's IMO.

Bowe, well that's interesting, I haven't watched him in a long time. But recalling Holyfields fights I don't think his jab was his main weapon.

Ali's jab is the best HW jab IMO.

I wouldn't put Foreman's jab in top5. Just not fast enough. It doesn't matter how strong it is, he wouldn't be able to touch Haye with it.

As for Lennox, Louis, Lennox. I would put Wlad, Lennox, Louis.

So my list would go : Ali, Liston, Wlad, Holmes, Lennox.

Holmes' jab was indeed way better than Wlad's and Lennox's. I think you'll have a hard time getting people to agree with you.

Bowe did use his jab as one of his main weapons, but that's besides the point. You don't have to jab 50 times per round in order to have a great jab. His jab was stronger and more precise than both Lennox's and Wlad's.

But I'll start a thread and see what people think.

[DreamFighter]

I forgot Liston. Yes his jab was extraordinary. Not just because of stiffness but his reach - top3 for sure.

Holmes's jab is not better than Wlad's IMO.

Bowe, well that's interesting, I haven't watched him in a long time. But recalling Holyfields fights I don't think his jab was his main weapon.

Ali's jab is the best HW jab IMO.

I wouldn't put Foreman's jab in top5. Just not fast enough. It doesn't matter how strong it is, he wouldn't be able to touch Haye with it.

As for Lennox, Louis, Lennox. I would put Wlad, Lennox, Louis.

So my list would go : Ali, Liston, Wlad, Holmes, Lennox.

Alis is not the best jab, unless you judge the jab by speed alone (or you only know a handful of boxers beside the Klits). Its the fastest HW jab, is what you mean.

Holmes was the jab master, Wlad is nowhere near his.


Also if you don't rate Foremans for being slow, why do you rate Listons when its slower?