Bending below the waist

[DoktorSleepless]

i remember during floyd/hatton the British commentary *****ing about that

Hmm... The rule is specified in the British Boxing Board of Control. Probably explains why they were more adament about it.

(h) persistently ducking below the waistline;

If it is illegal in the Nevada, I guess it would fall under the ref's discretion. If you put your head below an opponents waist, punches have nowhere to land but on the back of the opponents head/body. It's pretty much the same as turning your back against someone, which is usually done to stop an attack because blows to the back are illegal.

[edgarg]

Why doesn't anyone ever get called out on this? It's against the rules. I'm seeing the tide turn a bit on people not tolerating clinching anymore, but no one ever talks about this illegal move. It totally halts the flow of action because punches have nowhere to land expect the back of the head and it ruins the possibilities of landing more than one punch at a time.

What set me off was to make this thread was Szef99's signiture


I'm guessing what goes through some people's head when watching that gif is "Oh, look at Rigo's masterful defense making Donaire miss like a fool!"

But nope, it's cheap and illegal. I'm not even trying to pick on Rigo because he wasn't really guilty of doing this much in the fight as far as I remember, but it was the closest example at hand.

Yes it's against the rules, but I don't understand your comment about "clinching". Clinching is perfectly legal and an expert boxer cannot be really "expert" unless he knows how to do it.. There's a big difference between "clinching" and "holding". You have to know something about boxing to understand, and I don't know how far your knowledge extends..

[DoktorSleepless]

I sent an email to NSAC asking them about this stuff, but I doubt I'll get a response. Worth a try I guess.

Yes it's against the rules, but I don't understand your comment about "clinching". Clinching is perfectly legal and an expert boxer cannot be really "expert" unless he knows how to do it.. There's a big difference between "clinching" and "holding". You have to know something about boxing to understand, and I don't know how far your knowledge extends..

According to the NSAC rules PBP linked, both clinching and holding are specified as being illegal.

NAC 467.675 Acts constituting fouls in boxing
4. Holding or deliberately maintaining a clinch.

[Pockets]

Throw an uppercut.

[SN!PER]

Throw an uppercut.

Just what I was thinking. If the opponent continues this move, why not get into a crouching position and fire some uppercuts?

[Doctor_Tenma]

In the WBC Rules For Championchip fights for example.

It's become accepted really, refs don't really call anyone on it.

[The Gambler1981]

It's become accepted really, refs don't really call anyone on it.

They don't call lots of stuff though, really people want to see the fight dirty tricks or not rather than a ref stopping a fight over something that seems trivial.

They are screwed either way really, either they call it to the letter of the law and some fights get ruined or they don't call it to the letter of the law and some fights get ruined.

[humanpunchingbg]

Something like this?

[Ryn0]

I sent an email to NSAC asking them about this stuff, but I doubt I'll get a response. Worth a try I guess.



According to the NSAC rules PBP linked, both clinching and holding are specified as being illegal.

The key could be the in the word maintaining, it doesn't say clinching itself is illegal but maybe if a referee were to tell the fighters to stop clinching one was deliberately 'maintaining' the clinch even after being warned it could be an infraction.

A lot of these sorts of rules can be open for interpretation depending on the referee

[-PBP-]

The key could be the in the word maintaining, it doesn't say clinching itself is illegal but maybe if a referee were to tell the fighters to stop clinching one was deliberately 'maintaining' the clinch even after being warned it could be an infraction.

A lot of these sorts of rules can be open for interpretation depending on the referee

New York doesn't say "maintaining" though

clinching, holding or locking an
opponent=s arms or head

But there is always going to be clinching in boxing. I guess the ref just has to use judgement on whether or not its deliberate and whether its killing the flow of the fight.