Do you think Alvarez Would be willing to give Golovkin a fight?

[T18Z]

Murray has no fights in the US. The 2x he's fought outside of England he got a questionable draw and a loss. If he and his team decide its not in their best interest to not come to NYC to fight GGG in November and opt for a fight in England to get a win, no its not ducking.

Lets say GGG opts to fights Murray next. Mora called GGG out. Is that was ducking too? Of course not. HBO doesn't want GGG in with an awkward clown that could result in GGG looking less than what he's being marketed as. GGG would take that into consideration when making his next fight. Thats a sound business decision.

Or am I wrong?

Golovkin is Murrays biggest payday and was offered more than he got for facing Martinez.

Murray has faced Martinez and arguably won, how can he be too green for Golovkin? You're essentially saying he deserves to have a bias decision in his favor as opposed to fighting in the US, implying GGG has any intention of winning a points victory or has EVER had a gift decision or bogus scorecards in the US.

Murray is not coming off an injury, not coming off a devastating loss, he's arguably coming off a fight that is the best of his career, considering many saw him win or coming close to it, while making Martinez look bad. Everything from Murrays body language after Macklin got KO'd to his comments on twitter and his promoters just obviously lead towards them not wanting the fight, even though GGG is a reputable name with a great record, great following and will pay you MORE than the Martinez gave you.

[The Big Dunn]

Golovkin is Murrays biggest payday and was offered more than he got for facing Martinez.

Murray has faced Martinez and arguably won, how can he be too green for Golovkin? You're essentially saying he deserves to have a bias decision in his favor as opposed to fighting in the US, implying GGG has any intention of winning a points victory or has EVER had a gift decision or bogus scorecards in the US.

Murray is not coming off an injury, not coming off a devastating loss, he's arguably coming off a fight that is the best of his career, considering many saw him win or coming close to it, while making Martinez look bad. Everything from Murrays body language after Macklin got KO'd to his comments on twitter and his promoters just obviously lead towards them not wanting the fight, even though GGG is a reputable name with a great record, great following and will pay you MORE than the Martinez gave you.

One payday is not a career.

I didn't post he was too green nor did I say I agree with Hatton. I am not implying either-you are interpreting it negatively the same way you did my other post. I don't know your motivations for doing so.

Body language and interpreting his/promoter tweets. this is what I mean about opinions vs fact.

GGG is all those things-what he isn't is the lineal MW champ or the best MW in the world. If Murray and his team wish to take a fight to position him for a sergio rematch there is nothing wrong with that and that does not mean they are ducking GGG.

I get why GGG wants the fight-a win gets him that much closer to Sergio and he can laim he beat the guy who arguably beat sergio. But EVERYONE in the division wants that spot.

Like it or not GGG is not the division standard because HBO threw sergio under the bus. GGG is on the 2nd tier with Quillin-both are champions who have a couple of good wins. GGG is just hotter because he is on HBO and he has won by highlight reel KO.

if not fighting means ducking and some clown posts GGG is ducking Mora, I hope you don't flip and disagree with them because they are using the about same level of logic and reasoning you are.

[T18Z]

One payday is not a career.

I didn't post he was too green nor did I say I agree with Hatton. I am not implying either-you are interpreting it negatively the same way you did my other post. I don't know your motivations for doing so.

Body language and interpreting his/promoter tweets. this is what I mean about opinions vs fact.

GGG is all those things-what he isn't is the lineal MW champ or the best MW in the world. If Murray and his team wish to take a fight to position him for a sergio rematch there is nothing wrong with that and that does not mean they are ducking GGG.

I get why GGG wants the fight-a win gets him that much closer to Sergio and he can laim he beat the guy who arguably beat sergio. But EVERYONE in the division wants that spot.

Like it or not GGG is not the division standard because HBO threw sergio under the bus. GGG is on the 2nd tier with Quillin-both are champions who have a couple of good wins. GGG is just hotter because he is on HBO and he has won by highlight reel KO.

if not fighting means ducking and some clown posts GGG is ducking Mora, I hope you don't flip and disagree with them because they are using the about same level of logic and reasoning you are.

Martinez has already stated he is never giving Murray a rematch because he fights dirty, so no. Golovkin is Murrays biggest pay day currently, so not sure why it's a bad career move, but ok. I guess it's because he would lose? lol

In regards to opinions you do exactly the same rofl, you claim "nobody is ducking GGG" (no evidence whatsoever), I then give you a long list of history (including facts), and then you turn it into ok but it was only some European fighters, lol.

[The Big Dunn]

Martinez has already stated he is never giving Murray a rematch because he fights dirty, so no. Golovkin is Murrays biggest pay day currently, so not sure why it's a bad career move, but ok.

In regards to opinions you do exactly the same rofl, you claim "nobody is ducking GGG" (no evidence whatsoever), I then give you a long list of history (including facts), and then you turn it into ok but it was only some European fighters, lol.

I didn't post fighting GGG was a bad career move. How much would murray make fighting the Gaele/Barker winner in England? Is it more or less than GGG in NYC?

My point still stands-if GGG can request the fights that are the best for his career other fighters have the right to do the same for their career. Its not ducking just because you were called out or offered a fight.

GGG is a very good fighter, great amatuer background and power. But posters keep making threads about fighting floyd and canelo rather than Ward or Froch or Segrio etc, which are far more likely given the politics (something you already cited).

GGG has the skill and power to be one of the best p4p fighters in the world. He will give anyone a good fight. But IMO right now he isn't the boogieman that other MW's are running from.

[onechance87]

Yes i believe canelo would fight ggg.The majority of boxing fans said
he would not fight trout.

[The Big Dunn]

Martinez has already stated he is never giving Murray a rematch because he fights dirty, so no. Golovkin is Murrays biggest pay day currently, so not sure why it's a bad career move, but ok. I guess it's because he would lose? lol

In regards to opinions you do exactly the same rofl, you claim "nobody is ducking GGG" (no evidence whatsoever), I then give you a long list of history (including facts), and then you turn it into ok but it was only some European fighters, lol.

In regards to opinions you do exactly the same rofl, you claim "nobody is ducking GGG" (no evidence whatsoever), I then give you a long list of history (including facts), and then you turn it into ok but it was only some European fighters, lol.

You equate not fighting and ducking, I don't. You, nor many posters, were claiming GGG was the most ducked fighter when he was fighting exclusively overseas. Very few knew much about his pro career or saw him fight.

Whenever a fighter you like can't get the fight he wants-you call it ducking. If someone logged on aposted Manny is ducking Broner or GGG is ducking Mora, you'd call them all kinds of names. But they would be doing the exact same thing you are doing.