Do you think Alvarez Would be willing to give Golovkin a fight?

[The Big Dunn]

no, ricky hatton, murray's promotor.

i'm talking about hatton's refusal of a golovkin fight after the martinez fight.


you're clearly biased, man. golovkin is the best MW in the world very clearly. martinez is the champion, and golovkin can't be considered the champion until he beats him, but golovkin is the division's best fighter. people are blatantly avoiding him.

I can understand why hatton/duva want their fighters not to fight a powerhouse who is positioned as HBO's house fighter at MW.

But its something totally different to say GGG is avoided by Murray when murray fougt for the Lineal MW championship against the best MW in the world. Gaele clearly is poitioning himself to fight GGG should he beat Barker.

GGG is hot and has HBO's backing. But he's been in the US less than a year so the ducking stuff seems a bit of a stretch.

[Fetta]

Yes i do. But first things first.

Canelo v Martinez, May 3rd, 2014 in another superfight for the fans

[The Big Dunn]

Notice how you dodge everything else and pump straight on to Floyd? You are obsessed and pathetic.

- Mundine: purse bid for WBA title held, Mundine ran to JMM (when he was not that old as today)
- Sturm: was upgraded to "super champion" in order to avoid a fight with his mandatory (had to pay a huge sum to avoid the guy and hadn't even got 2 belts rofl)
- N'Dam: never wanted any part of Golovkin as "interim champion"
- Geale: gave up his WBA title to avoid Golovkin
- Pirog: agreed to fight him, backed out because of an injury then gave up his title for the Golovkin fight
- Quillin: bull**** excuses (no household name blabla) - looks like he is ducking him, says he's too dangerous
- Martinez: see Quilinn - Also promote states Martinez won't be fighting that 'beast' as his first fight back (fair enough), but will GGG get the fight soon after? Of Course not
- Murray - Avoiding GGG like the plague, whether that's him or his promotion doing it is a different story, but they HAVE recieved an offer, so Murray is lieing or playing ******, as I'm sure he has saw Hattons recent comments. Hatton is essentially saying he's protecting Murray meanwhile Murray is playing 'dumb'.

Let me guess, GGG isn't avoided doe? Dumb ass...

you are heavy on name calling and personal opinions but light on facts.

I asked because GGG called floyd out-ironically from behind the same fence.

If GGG was avoided by european fighters so be it. He's been in the US less than a year. He isn't being ducked.

[New England]

I can understand why hatton/duva want their fighters not to fight a powerhouse who is positioned as HBO's house fighter at MW.

But its something totally different to say GGG is avoided by Murray when murray fougt for the Lineal MW championship against the best MW in the world. Gaele clearly is poitioning himself to fight GGG should he beat Barker.

GGG is hot and has HBO's backing. But he's been in the US less than a year so the ducking stuff seems a bit of a stretch.

he was offered the golovkin fight after the martinez fight, dude. it's his biggest payday now that martinez has an injury.


golovkin was already geale's mandatory and he turned the fight down and dropped the title.

[T18Z]

you are heavy on name calling and personal opinions but light on facts.

I asked because GGG called floyd out-ironically from behind the same fence.

If GGG was avoided by european fighters so be it. He's been in the US less than a year. He isn't being ducked.

I'm light on the facts? Yet you quoted my giant list of essentially some of the history of fighters who have avoided him? Laughable.

The fact you say he's been in the US for less than a year doesn't mean he hasn't been avoided while he has not been fighting in the US. Your statement pointless, you're saying that GGG's career only started once he went to USA, like he was a worthless fighter beforehand who had no right to challenge champions, which is very ignorant.

I can see via your words you haven't looked into Golovkin much or his history, but enjoy questioning anyone who has.

[The Big Dunn]

he was offered the golovkin fight after the martinez fight, dude. it's his biggest payday now that martinez has an injury.


golovkin was already geale's mandatory and he turned the fight down and dropped the title.

I don't know that it is but assuming it is, does he have to take it just because it was offered?

I can completely respect the point about Gaele, but Gael appears to be positioning himself for a GGG fight. By delaying and winning titles, he makes the fight more lucrative for himself. I don't think thats ducking.

[The Big Dunn]

I'm light on the facts? Yet you quoted my giant list of essentially some of the history of fighters who have avoided him? Laughable.

The fact you say he's been in the US for less than a year doesn't mean he hasn't been avoided while he has not been fighting in the US. Your statement pointless, you're saying that GGG's career only started once he went to USA, like he was a worthless fighter beforehand who had no right to challenge champions, which is very ignorant.

I can see via your words you haven't looked into Golovkin much or his history, but enjoy questioning anyone who has.

no i'm not saying that about GGG at all. if you see it that way so be it.

Fighters make financial decisions. GGG is one of those fighters. He is calling out floyd and sergio, offering Murray a fight and not discussing Mora (who also called him out) because HBO is investing in him and it is better for him to fight big names (to enhance his brand) or fights where he looks good. Cool I get that.

Other fighters are entitled to do the same thing and if they do it doesn't equate to ducking. If it does to you than it suggests you see professional boxing in the same vein you do amatuer boxing. I don't.

[hitman smax]

I don't see that fight happening, but I hope it does. I see GGG as a bigger, taller fighter, a guy who would be more likely to match up with Andre Ward at 168 than Canelo at 160.

Canelo could definitely move up no problem, but I think his camp will wisely avoid that match-up.

I believe GGG would stop him, but I don't necessarily see that as a big deal at this point. Golovkin is a bigger, stronger fighter, and the match-up would be outside the spirit of weight classes.

We have weight classes so fighters can be evenly matched (for the most part) and Golovkin/Alvarez is just not in the spirit of that.

It's like Delahoya/Hopkins in my opinion. It's a fight that should never happen. Not to say that I wouldn't watch. :-)

[Citizen Koba]

you are heavy on name calling and personal opinions but light on facts.

I asked because GGG called floyd out-ironically from behind the same fence.

If GGG was avoided by european fighters so be it. He's been in the US less than a year. He isn't being ducked.

Very hard to say. At the moment GGG is finding real difficult to make the kinda fights that will enhance his career - but then every other top 10-15 fighter has dates lined up or, like Murray and Martinez a completely solid reason why the fight can't be made (Visa and Injury, respectively). If someone has already got a scheduled fight, to me, they can't be accused of ducking.

Recent news suggests Murrays visa issues may be sorted out, but even then, I perfectly accept Ricky Hattons position that GGG is a step too far for Murray at the moment. Is that ducking?

Edit: Damn, completely failed to give a response to the actual thread.

Anyways - yeah, before too long Alvarez is gonna have to make the switch up to MW - by the time he does it hard to see past Gena being the no.1 there. So yeah, unless either fighter suddenly disappears, a fight is probable at some point.

When (if) it happens, GGG wins by stoppage.

[The Big Dunn]

Very hard to say. At the moment GGG is finding real difficult to make the kinda fights that will enhance his career - but then every other top 10-15 fighter has dates lined up or, like Murray and Martinez a completely solid reason why the fight can't be made (Visa and Injury, respectively). If someone has already got a scheduled fight, to me, they can't be accused of ducking.

Recent news suggests Murrays visa issues may be sorted out, but even then, I perfectly accept Ricky Hattons position that GGG is a step too far for Murray at the moment. Is that ducking?

Edit: Damn, completely failed to give a response to the actual thread.

Anyways - yeah, before too long Alvarez is gonna have to make the switch up to MW - by the time he does it hard to see past Gena being the no.1 there. So yeah, unless either fighter suddenly disappears, a fight is probable at some point.

When (if) it happens, GGG wins by stoppage.

Murray has no fights in the US. The 2x he's fought outside of England he got a questionable draw and a loss. If he and his team decide its not in their best interest to not come to NYC to fight GGG in November and opt for a fight in England to get a win, no its not ducking.

Lets say GGG opts to fights Murray next. Mora called GGG out. Is that was ducking too? Of course not. HBO doesn't want GGG in with an awkward clown that could result in GGG looking less than what he's being marketed as. GGG would take that into consideration when making his next fight. Thats a sound business decision.

Or am I wrong?