How the hell were those scores so close?!!!

[The Gambler1981]

So you're telling me that the judges had it right? He was clearly being dominated, According to Shostats, Berto landed 134 power shots to SotoKarass's 322. I was rooting for Berto, but i didn't see anything from him at all.

I am saying the judges had it within the realm of possibility and is by far not close to being outlandish~ having Berto so ahead that Karass needed a stoppage to win maybe you would have a point~ having the fight up for grabs going into the 12th is not terrible.

I don't care about those number that is not how you judge fights and using that as justification is weak to any real boxing fan. Also just in general those numbers are meaningless in total because fights are not scored in total but round by round so you can land more punches and lose more rounds.

[Humean]

I saw Karass winning and I think that the judges that had it a draw and for Berto were wrong but....

if anybody on these forums wants to argue this, you're officially a ****ing ******ed.

al haymon BUYS JUDGES. PERIOD.

For a start there is actually quite a simple explanation for the bad judging of a fight such as that the judges are not of a high quality. Like anything in life some people are better at their respective jobs than others at that same job. Perhaps the judges in question here were just not that competent. Another point related to that is that there is always going to be bias involved, however unconscious, and that bias seems to consistently be a bias in favour of the 'name' fighter. It is easy to see how that works, a judge just needs to be focusing too much on the work of the 'name' fighter and not enough on the opponent. Is that really so hard for lots of boxing fans to actually understand?

Now to the main reason for my post. You talk about mental ******ation but lets go through the reasoning, or the lack thereof, that runs to your conclusion. First of all you have no evidence for these judges being bought nor any other by Al Haymon, therefore your claim has almost zero merit. Secondly why would all these countless fighters bother to get into the ring against Al Hayman fighters if they knew that the judges were being bribed to favour the Haymon fighter? Now that would be a sign of mental ******ation.

[$0uthpaw]

I am saying the judges had it within the realm of possibility and is by far not close to being outlandish~ having Berto so ahead that Karass needed a stoppage to win maybe you would have a point~ having the fight up for grabs going into the 12th is not terrible.

I don't care about those number that is not how you judge fights and using that as justification is weak to any real boxing fan. Also just in general those numbers are meaningless in total because fights are not scored in total but round by round so you can land more punches and lose more rounds.

First off, i didn't say those numbers to justify Soto Karass deserving to be up by a wide margin. But those are still numbers of a fight that's being dominated, then factor in that Berto appeared to be hurt in many of those rounds, SK definitely controlled the tempo. Soto clearly landed the cleaner punches throughout the fight. I watched the fight twice, i know what i saw.

[The Gambler1981]

First off, i didn't say those numbers to justify Soto Karass deserving to be up by a wide margin. But those are still numbers of a fight that's being dominated, then factor in that Berto appeared to be hurt in many of those rounds, SK definitely controlled the tempo. Soto clearly landed the cleaner punches throughout the fight. I watched the fight twice, i know what i saw.

First off don't bring up meaningless things~ those numbers mean nothing period~

So just because you saw it that way that is the only way to see it? I saw both guys doing plenty of work, so those scores fell within the range that I expected.

[Porter's Dad]

Yea it was~ easily in fact. Soto Karass wasn't dominating don't know why people are acting like he was~

It was a tough hard fought fight and Soto Karass performed well, but he certainly didn't dominate the fight that there was only one way to score it.

~No it wasn't~

~It's not about domination, it's about winning rounds ~ JSK was clearly, CLEARLY putting rounds in the banks from early on~ that was not a close fight and those scorecards were a joke~

~I understand Berto is black and you're doing the racial solidarity thing as per usual but some of us actually give a shiet about bogus scorecards. It's frightening to think that JSK was one left hook away from getting robbed~

[PurePugilist216]

What was so bad about the commentating? They kept saying Karass was doing good work, they had him winning but they gave Berto credit for still being there although he looked out of it by the 5th. The man deserves mad props for that.

I had Berto winning 3 rounds, 2 of them with one hand, Karass got hit with so man left hooks he must've had a crick in his neck.

Every time Berto landed one punch they made a big deal over it, while Soto was tagging up. And most of the time they were saying the fight was close. And look at their cards, they were scoring it pretty close as well.

[PurePugilist216]

Andre Berto is an Al Haymon boxer.

I know which is why they need to be investigated. We know something was up.

[PurePugilist216]

Like the Pac-Bradley affair?

I think Arum certainly had something to with that. It makes no sense the the guy who generates the money, the crowd, and is dominating the fight loses like that. Something was wrong there.

[PurePugilist216]

Yea it was~ easily in fact. Soto Karass wasn't dominating don't know why people are acting like he was~

It was a tough hard fought fight and Soto Karass performed well, but he certainly didn't dominate the fight that there was only one way to score it.

How much did Haymon pay you to write that?

[The Gambler1981]

~No it wasn't~

~It's not about domination, it's about winning rounds ~ JSK was clearly, CLEARLY putting rounds in the banks from early on~ that was not a close fight and those scorecards were a joke~

~I understand Berto is black and you're doing the racial solidarity thing as per usual but some of us actually give a shiet about bogus scorecards. It's frightening to think that JSK was one left hook away from getting robbed~

Yea it was about winning rounds and deciding who wins those rounds. There were plenty of close rounds, so the only way to surely win a round is to dominate it if you leave some doubt it can go there other way and there were plenty of doubt in plenty of those rounds.

You think that is why I am doing this? I am doing this because people like you don't understand scoring crying and whining about small things that might not have mattered.

This post shows the difference between you and me, I am telling it how it is and you are worrying how it might have been. I get judging is flawed hence why I don't act like scores are engraved in stone