New Rivalry? Cuba vs Mexico

[UTEP]

One of the fights I like to watch is Marquez vs Casamayor what a classic chess match that was.

true, that was a great fight.

[LeG00N]

The Casamayor fight was his second time at LW, his first was in the 90's and he looked pretty bad inboth. He was already past prime and his body wasn't there

[Ido]

You mean Canelo wouldn't want to get stopped and lose his Army of Mexicans Clinging to him praying he doesn't lose.

Mares would fight anyone though I give him props.

Take it how you will, but Lara isn't that good.

One of the fights I like to watch is Marquez vs Casamayor what a classic chess match that was.

Marquez has a pair of stones for taking up Casamayor. Not only was this fight a High Risk - Low Reward. Its the first match he took up, when he moved up to Light Weight.

Casamayor seemingly aged over night, after his loss to Marquez.

[Ido]

Yes look at it ....FLoyd mayweather (olympian) Andre ward(olympian) #1 and 2 right there. And i think his point was more like yours meaning in Cuba stuck there are alot more fighters like the ones you describe. That are not olympians and because theyre style doesnt play well with olympic scoring they are never given chances to be an olympic medalist in Cuba, but they would kick ass in the pro's. A lot of wasted talent.

Your simply pointing out the obvious. No one is denying that there is large pool of talent in Cuba. That in it itself is not the main point of the topic.

The argument is, are Cuban fighters becoming a dominant force, to rival Mexico in the Pro leagues? And the answer is no, and for two reasons.

Lack of talents: yes, regardless of the condition for Cubans to make it to the state, you need more contenders to push that banner. They need to make their presence known. The general public does not know, or care for the likes of Lara, Rigo, or Gamboa outside of the hardcore base.

Lack of Support: If the Cuban Americans supported their athletes to their fullest, matches would be easier to make, instead of relaying on the money brought in by Americans, or Mexicans fans.

There is no excuse for this. Puerto Rico is much smaller, yet they are able to support their athletes like Cotto to the point of becoming a cash cow/ppv attraction.

[jri9d0]

The way I remember it, the Mexico-Puerto Rico rivalry effectively started with Gomez-Sanchez. There were meetings between fighters from both lands before then, but this seems to be where the rivalry took off.

Actually the rivalry started when Carlos Ortiz knocked out Raymundo Torres of their 1960 Welterweight fight. This is long before Gomez-Sanchez ever set foot in opposing corners. Followed by the Pipino Cueves dethroning of Angel Espada in the 1970's if one wants to be technical...

[CubanGuyNYC]

Your simply pointing out the obvious. No one is denying that there is large pool of talent in Cuba. That in it itself is not the main point of the topic.

The argument is, are Cuban fighters becoming a dominant force, to rival Mexico in the Pro leagues? And the answer is no, and for two reasons.

Lack of talents: yes, regardless of the condition for Cubans to make it to the state, you need more contenders to push that banner. They need to make their presence known. The general public does not know, or care for the likes of Lara, Rigo, or Gamboa outside of the hardcore base.

Lack of Support: If the Cuban Americans supported their athletes to their fullest, matches would be easier to make, instead of relaying on the money brought in by Americans, or Mexicans fans.

There is no excuse for this. Puerto Rico is much smaller, yet they are able to support their athletes like Cotto to the point of becoming a cash cow/ppv attraction.

Cuba is a communist country, and has been for over 50 years. Relatively few Cubans have managed to leave the island for the United States. There are only about 1.6 million Cubans living in the U.S. The rest are stuck in Cuba with no freedom and virtually no money. Puerto Rico, on the other hand, is a U.S. territory, supported by the most powerful country in history.

There are almost 4 million Puerto Ricans in the mainland U.S. and about that many on the island. In effect, you have almost 8 million Puerto Ricans who are free to travel and support their fighters with real cash. In addition, they've had decades to promote and develop interest in their athletes within the sport. You can't compare the two situations.

[elgranluchadore]

The Casamayor fight was his second time at LW, his first was in the 90's and he looked pretty bad inboth. He was already past prime and his body wasn't there

the casamayor fight is the first one where marquez really started to show physical decline imo, he had looked spectacular before in the 2nd pacquiao fight and against barrera

[CubanGuyNYC]

Actually the rivalry started when Carlos Ortiz knocked out Raymundo Torres of their 1960 Welterweight fight. This is long before Gomez-Sanchez ever set foot in opposing corners. Followed by the Pipino Cueves dethroning of Angel Espada in the 1970's if one wants to be technical...

Interesting. But would you say that there was enough competitiveness created by the Ortiz-Torres fight to call it a "rivalry"? If the next fight of note came in another decade, the rivalry doesn't seem to have yet taken root. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I recall the rivalry as we know it today starting with Gomez-Sanchez.

[ElMeroChingon]

Rivalry?

Is this guy trolling? , lmao

[Ido]

Cuba is a communist country, and has been for over 50 years. Relatively few Cubans have managed to leave the island for the United States. There are only about 1.6 million Cubans living in the U.S. The rest are stuck in Cuba with no freedom and virtually no money. Puerto Rico, on the other hand, is a U.S. territory, supported by the most powerful country in history.

There are almost 4 million Puerto Ricans in the mainland U.S. and about that many on the island. In effect, you have almost 8 million Puerto Ricans who are free to travel and support their fighters with real cash. In addition, they've had decades to promote and develop interest in their athletes within the sport. You can't compare the two situations.

Well last I checked the number was closer to to 2 million. With 70% living Florida. I am note sure if that accurate or not, but with that said, If you want Cuban Fighters to grow into superstars. First Cuban Community need to welcome with open arms their athletes, and support them so Florida becomes the Hot Bed to make money off.

The Cubans, as good as they are. Quickly fall off into obscurity. And no one really misses them.

Also the Cubans need to modify their style. Balance their boxing - action. After all, they want public to fall in love with you, which is inherently tough when your a foreigner, and even tougher when the pure boxing style displeases the average fan.

Lastly. I am sooo not against Cuban athletes. In fact I welcome them. As Higher quality contenders, would force athletes to improve. I just simply don't agree Cubans are a rival to Mexico as of now.