Must Have's/Debatable/Cant have Fighters on P4P Lists

[Sugar Adam Ali]

There is always alot of debate about how guys rank P4P. Im not trying to have everyone post their lists but rather lets discuss what guys are a Must on every list, which guys are debatable, and which guys have no business on anybody's list.. For starters i will break down guys that are a must,debate, and Cant
And a cant have guy doesnt mean he is bum but he could also just lack resume

Must have's: Floyd, ward, rigo, jmm, Bradley

Debatable: manny, donaire, froch, roman gonzales, mikey garcia, danny garcia, Klitchkos,

Cant Have: Canelo, Broner, GGG, Lucas


I left some names off just for the sake of discussion,,,

[Jack Napier]

There is always alot of debate about how guys rank P4P. Im not trying to have everyone post their lists but rather lets discuss what guys are a Must on every list, which guys are debatable, and which guys have no business on anybody's list.. For starters i will break down guys that are a must,debate, and Cant
And a cant have guy doesnt mean he is bum but he could also just lack resume

Must have's: Floyd, ward, rigo, jmm, Bradley

Debatable: manny, donaire, froch, roman gonzales, mikey garcia, danny garcia, Klitchkos,

Cant Have: Canelo, Broner, GGG, Lucas


I left some names off just for the sake of discussion,,,

Bradley is not a must have, he has 0 business being on any p4p lists
he lost to Pac and struggled like hell with Ruslan
Floyd isn't a must have either, he's done nothing big since 07
Froch and Nonito aren't debatable, they earned their spots
Pac's done, but if he's on there until after the Rios fight, fine

[AztecWanker]

There is always alot of debate about how guys rank P4P. Im not trying to have everyone post their lists but rather lets discuss what guys are a Must on every list, which guys are debatable, and which guys have no business on anybody's list.. For starters i will break down guys that are a must,debate, and Cant
And a cant have guy doesnt mean he is bum but he could also just lack resume

Must have's: Floyd, ward, rigo, jmm, Bradley

Debatable: manny, donaire, froch, roman gonzales, mikey garcia, danny garcia, Klitchkos,

Cant Have: Canelo, Broner, GGG, Lucas


I left some names off just for the sake of discussion,,,

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Bradley is not a must have, he has 0 business being on any p4p lists
he lost to Pac and struggled like hell with Ruslan
Floyd isn't a must have either, he's done nothing big since 07
Froch and Nonito aren't debatable, they earned their spots
Pac's done, but if he's on there until after the Rios fight, fine

Ok, I think bradley may be a debatable guy

But he does have wins over miguel vasquez, Junior witter for a belt overseas, undefeated Peterson, Undefeated Abregu, Undefeated Alexander, That is a hell of a resume,, now throw in a robbery win vs manny who at the time was a top 5 p4p guy, and yes he fought like an idiot in the first round vs ruslan that almost cost him the fight, but he went to the depths of hell, dug deep and won the fight,,

As for froch, I have him on my list, but i say he is debatable because i see alot of lists that dont have him on,, I can see other's point of view about froch not being P4P.... Yes he was fought a tremendous schedule but has only fought 1 p4p guy and got schooled..

Donaire shouldnt be a must have::: He earned it how, by beating getting schooled by a smaller rigo,, P4p guys can lose fights, look at jmm and manny, but donaire got schooled by a guy with a dozen fights who had never even been on the big stage before

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Please feel free to do your own breakdown...

That is the point of this thread,,,

[Ezzard Charles]

p4p = bull****.

[MR PUNCHOUT]

How are the Klitchkos debatable? They should be on the list, its not there fault that the hw division is weak and nobody can beat them!

[Jack Napier]

Ok, I think bradley may be a debatable guy

But he does have wins over miguel vasquez, Junior witter for a belt overseas, undefeated Peterson, Undefeated Abregu, Undefeated Alexander, That is a hell of a resume,, now throw in a robbery win vs manny who at the time was a top 5 p4p guy, and yes he fought like an idiot in the first round vs ruslan that almost cost him the fight, but he went to the depths of hell, dug deep and won the fight,,

As for froch, I have him on my list, but i say he is debatable because i see alot of lists that dont have him on,, I can see other's point of view about froch not being P4P.... Yes he was fought a tremendous schedule but has only fought 1 p4p guy and got schooled..

Donaire shouldnt be a must have::: He earned it how, by beating getting schooled by a smaller rigo,, P4p guys can lose fights, look at jmm and manny, but donaire got schooled by a guy with a dozen fights who had never even been on the big stage before

Bradley was a back half guy before the Pac fight, if he was on at all
that fight knocked him off or stopped any chance of him being on
Ruslan was a tough win for him, but Ruslan doesn't make the cut
winning that decision doesn't do much for Bradley p4p wise
Froch absolutely belongs on the list, best SMW res aside from Ward
and he's got good wins since that Ward loss too
Nonito is back half now, he lost comprehensively to unproven Rigo
he should still be on, but just barely
Wlad's not debatable either, he's on for sure, not Vit though

[Sugar Adam Ali]

How are the Klitchkos debatable? They should be on the list, its not there fault that the hw division is weak and nobody can beat them!

Klitchkos are debatable because yes they dominant the heavys but their skill set is very limited,,, They basically have the same skill set as a pavlik: long jab, big power,, p4p wise they are debatable because of the limited skill set,,

You do you think has more multitude of skills: broner, canelo, or klitchkos

Thats why i have them as debatable.....

I have yet to see anyone post their must/debatable/cant... Everyone seems to be preoccupied with my list....

To a breakdown for yourselves...

[Bermuda]

bradley is more debatable than a must have....he got a gift decision win against pac, and almost got taken out (can even argue that bradley lost) against a guy ranked #10 at 140...

froch should be a must have instead of bradley...and danny garcia and mikey garcia should be included in the "can't have" category...especially mikey garcia whose only notable wins are salido and a past it juanma..

and wladimir klitschko is a "must have"...