Comments Thread For: Mayweather: The Media Built Manny Pacquiao To My Level

[richardt]

If Shane fought Floyd when Shane was Pac's age I'd give Shane a great chance to KO Mayweather. Shane hit Floyd about as hard as you can hit someone (Floyd unprotected, not looking) and Floyd only buckled.

But that was one and done for Mosley....Pac's power punches keep coming....but the point is, Pac losing to Marquez does not mean Mayweather would have more success, anymore than Pac having a greater work rate and power than Mosley would mean he would have a greater success. Too many dynamics. Pac vs Floyd could go either way on any given night. People are too caught up in the Mayweather is better than JMM so he wins. History is littered with the failure of that bad science. Recently TONS of people said Donaire would obliterate Rigo because he hit harder than Merroquin. See how that turned out. Too many dynamics to use paralells.

[hitking]

You just can't stop contradicting yourself. You're telling me these guys made the same jump despite one starting at 108 and another at 130. What he did in the amateurs doesn't count man. Arreola was a welter in the amateurs. This is the pros, get it?

You're either deaf, dumb, slow, or all of the above.

[Gatling]

But that was one and done for Mosley....Pac's keep coming....but the point is, Pac losing to Marquez does not mean Mayweather would have more success, anymore than Pac having a greater work rate and power than Mosley would mean he would have a greater success. Too many dynamics. Pac vs Floyd could go either way on any given night.

Mosley kept coming when he was Manny's age too. Pac's higher workrate would get him hit a lot too.

I favor Mayweather a lot but of course if Manny would win it'd be a KO

[richardt]

Mosley kept coming when he was Manny's age too.

Mosley was huffing and puffing by the 6th. But again, dymanics are too delicate to predetermine based on how Pac responds to JMM's style vs Mayweather's. Anything can happen.

[Gatling]

You may want to rewatch the fight. Mosley was huffing and puffing by the 6th.

Mosley wasn't Manny's age.

[richardt]

Mosley wasn't Manny's age.

I'm going by prime Mayweather vs prime Pac. I have no idea if Canelo will take something out of Floyd or Floyd will age or Pac is shot since the KO to know who would win at this time if they fought next year. Again, for someone to use the bench press analogy - man that was brainless, otherwise we could ALL make a TON of money going by some computer telling us who will win fights and ABC scenarios would be predictable. We could say, well Mayweather wins because he boxes better than JMM. BUT, we could also ask, who had Marquez the closest to being knocked out? That would be Pac. Too much dynamics to be sure who would win. But that bench press analogy by Dunn was lame. We would all be RICH if we could say the A fighter who was better at things then the B fighter who beat the C fighter means the C fighter cannot beat the A fighter. Boxing has too many variables on fight night.

[twosweethooks]

its not the fight that defined floyd but it is the fight that changed the floyd/manny dynamic

Triangle theories dont work so floyd beating JMM the way he did doesn't men he would beat manny the same. But it did make people wonder if he was the guy to beat floyd. Piggybacking of rome by ko's post-people hated floyd and wanted someone to beat the **** out of him. Since manny was koing fighters hard people elevated him to that spot (see Matthysse, Lucas for a modern day replica)

But, after the JMM fight fewer people thought Manny had the tools to beat floyd because he was struggling (the majority thought losing to) with JMM and floyd dominated JMM with such ease.

That won't work Mang !

Pac was killin JMM and he admitted to it saying he was fixing to get KO'd when Pac foolishly over committed and was LAYED OUT ! IF Pac is ok they should do it again and you will see Pac WIN by KO

Mayweather will NEVER beat Pac :

1st because he has lost the fight in his heart, he KNOWS he can't beat him, he knows that Pac has his number and that is the reason for this 4 year DUCK

[Gatling]

I'm going by prime Mayweather vs prime Pac. I have no idea if Canelo will take something out of Floyd or Floyd will age or Pac is shot since the KO to know who would win at this time if they fought next year. Again, for someone to use the bench press analogy - man that was brainless, otherwise we could ALL make a TON of money going by some computer telling us who will win fights and ABC scenarios would be predictable. We could say, well Mayweather wins because he boxes better than JMM. BUT, we could also ask, who had Marquez the closest to being knocked out? That would be Pac. Too much dynamics to be sure who would win. But that bench press analogy by Dunn was lame.

I wasn't using any triangle theories to say how Pac would do against Mayweather, it was you and another bloke who were using those theories, I was just merely pointing out that at 147 I feel Mosley hits harder. since Manny is naturally a couple weights smaller it's not that big of a deal.

[richardt]

I wasn't using any triangle theories to say how Pac would do against Mayweather, it was you and another bloke who were using those theories, I was just merely pointing out that at 147 I feel Mosley hits harder. since Manny is naturally a couple weights smaller it's not that big of a deal.

I don't see Mosley as having the same power, not in their fight together or in general. I see Pac as not only hitting harder, but throwing far more in a fantasy matchup against Floyd. But I was using that as a point, just like the Merroquin/Donaire/Rigo scenario which KILLS the Bench press warped analogy that I was picking apart when you came in. If you think Mosley hits harder, so be it.

[twosweethooks]

You're a pure idiot. You asked "what elite welterweight has Floyd fought in the last 8 years?" I answered your question. And you've gone way out in left field talking about defining fights and all this other bull****. Then, you speak on Floyd's welterweight career as if he's been a career welterweight. Like I said, you're an idiot, plain and simple.

this is nothing but insufferable arrogance.

Jr has fought little guys , does that define JR ??

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah Mang it does !!!!!

Jr fought a wee little guy foreign to two weight classes above his light weight division not used to higher weights and JR "HAD" TO CHEAT on him LMAO and yes that defines JR big time !!!!!!! MANG !!!!!think mang think !!!!!!

Jr fought washed up guys and did that define JR ??? YES it DID define him, he would rather fight a washed old great than find a threat,,,he has PROVED this over the past 8 years, so again this defines jr.

Jr fought OLD Washed up guys and was nearly KO'd, did that define JR,,,,,YES it did

What this amounts to is Jr's legacy founded upon little men, wee little men washed up men and OLD washed up men.

JR fought Ortiz and that fight defined JR as a CHEATER at a different level

The ONLY fight I will hand to JR is the Guerrero fight but he was recently fight Lightweights

DO YOU GET IT ???????????????? I doubt it !!!!!!!!