Old news: Does anyone believe the Gatti outcome?

[ßringer]

I believe suicide is the coward's way out.

And I believe you to be a moron for making such a statement. Infact, I'm hard pressed to think of an act that takes more balls and mental fortitude than committing suicide does. Furthermore, I find it rather hysterical that people like yourself who verbally attack a defenseless deceased person by labelling them cowardly would have the audacity to label anyone but themselves a coward.

Regarding his depression it ultimately is all conjecture or hearsay unless any of his friends had irrefutable evidence from Gatti himself that he was depressed or they are/were health care professional that could pronounce such a psychological diagnosis.

In order for Gatti's depression to be legally documented he would've first had to seek help from a mental healthcare professional, which he didn't. Why he didn't would be anybody's guess, but I don't think it's entirely a "shot in the dark" to presume that Gatti felt his struggles with depression somehow weakened him or made him less a man than the 'WARRIOR!!!!' archetype he made his living being.

One only need look throughout the history of this sport to encounter a wide variety of reclusive, depressive, and even suicidal fighters who simply couldn't live up to their 'macho man' personna outside of the ring.

The dispute really comes down to one and only one thing, your opinion is different from mine. However, I never took the time to diminish your perspective as you have seen fit to attack mine. I suppose our conduct is different also.

I'm not diminishing your perspective. You have none. There's a difference.

Your entire stance on this rather complex issue of suicide can basically be summed up by the following : "Only cowards and p*ssies commit suicide, and Arturo Gatti was neither, so therefore he was murdered."

You're ignorant and naive on the subject of suicide in regards to a sports hero of yours (presumably for precisely that reason), yet callous and obtuse on the subject of suicide in regards to the literally millions of other people who've committed the act.

[ßringer]

Nothing against folks from Brazil, but the fact that it took place there only convinces me that it was murder. The place is so rife with crime right now. Granted, the only things I know about Brazil are what I've heard from friends who left there.

The fact that the Brazilian Justice System is completely and utterly FUBAR is a point well taken. So I can understand any fan's doubts about a possible coverup and what-have-you. However, what does the Brazilian Justice System gain from being complicit covering up the investigation into a dead sports star that had no real global recognition?

This isn't Michael Jordan we're talking about here. It's not Tiger Woods. Hell, it's not even Floyd Mayweather. He's Arturo Gatti - A multiple time world champion boxer that only people who follow boxing know and care about.

So again, how would any sort of coverup on this matter benefit the country of Brazil? What's the upside? Specifically.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

In case you haven't caught on yet, this place exists for the sake of people giving their opinions.

So me giving an opinion of saying taking a leap of logic isn't a valid one then?

[Redd Foxx]

And I believe you to be a moron for making such a statement. Infact, I'm hard pressed to think of an act that takes more balls and mental fortitude than committing suicide does. Furthermore, I find it rather hysterical that people like yourself who verbally attack a defenseless deceased person by labelling them cowardly would have the audacity to label anyone but themselves a coward.



In order for Gatti's depression to be legally documented he would've first had to seek help from a mental healthcare professional, which he didn't. Why he didn't would be anybody's guess, but I don't think it's entirely a "shot in the dark" to presume that Gatti felt his struggles with depression somehow weakened him or made him less a man than the 'WARRIOR!!!!' archetype he made his living being.

One only need look throughout the history of this sport to encounter a wide variety of reclusive, depressive, and even suicidal fighters who simply couldn't live up to their 'macho man' personna outside of the ring.



I'm not diminishing your perspective. You have none. There's a difference.

Your entire stance on this rather complex issue of suicide can basically be summed up by the following : "Only cowards and p*ssies commit suicide, and Arturo Gatti was neither, so therefore he was murdered."

You're ignorant and naive on the subject of suicide in regards to a sports hero of yours (presumably for precisely that reason), yet callous and obtuse on the subject of suicide in regards to the literally millions of other people who've committed the act.

Though I agree with your stance, it's cheap to deny his opinion as invalid simply because it doesn't hold up to your logic. I've known a couple of heroic men to took their lives when they knew they were terminal. If he wants to call them cowards, *** him. But, I won't say he doesn't have his own perspective or opinion.

[Redd Foxx]

The fact that the Brazilian Justice System is completely and utterly FUBAR is a point well taken. So I can understand any fan's doubts about a possible coverup and what-have-you. However, what does the Brazilian Justice System gain from being complicit covering up the investigation into a dead sports star that had no real global recognition?

This isn't Michael Jordan we're talking about here. It's not Tiger Woods. Hell, it's not even Floyd Mayweather. He's Arturo Gatti - A multiple time world champion boxer that only people who follow boxing know and care about.

So again, how would any sort of coverup on this matter benefit the country of Brazil? What's the upside? Specifically.

I'm not looking at a "system", but rather incompetence and bribery at low levels which could corrupt an entire case.

[Redd Foxx]

So me giving an opinion of saying taking a leap of logic isn't a valid one then?

I'm not going to play your straw man.

[ßringer]

I'm not looking at a "system", but rather incompetence and bribery at low levels which could corrupt an entire case.

Duly noted.

I could see a bit of low-level politicing and bribing having an effect on evidence being properly gathered.

"Hey man, that's Arturo Gatti, I'll give you 20 bucks if you let me walk all over this crimescene and turn him over so I can take a picture!"

The reason I responded as I did in regards to 'the system' is because that's literally all I've heard from those on the other side regarding this case thus far. It's basically just a bunch of ****s who think that the Brazilian government would risk utter ruination just to protect some skanky stripper who was of the same nationality.

[Mike Haynes]

I just don't see a warrior like that taking the cowards way out. He didn't have it in him.

His brother said he talked about doing it by shooting himself.

[craigus1990]

The_Bringer - I would green K you but it won't let me. Suicide is a deep and complex subject, the list of people who have taken their own life is made up of all different types of characters and for all different sorts of reasons. TS saying that he is entitled to his opinion is right, in your head you can think whatever you like, but when you voice that opinion to the public and make wild claims and assertions that cowards are the only people committing suicide and this somehow proves a murder then you well get criticized and scrutinized for it. You can't make a baseless claim without providing some sort of evidence to support it. People have killed themselves for millions of reasons... to name a few these include things like, avoiding enemy capture, avoiding torture, killing yourself before you die of a excruciatingly painful terminal illness, depression and other mental illnesses, how about the brave teachers at Sandy Hook who chose to die to save others? As in the case with Gatti, you suffer from depression and/or any other mental illness, then your mind is not in a state to make sensible decisions and your brain tells you suicide is the only way. Stephen Fry almost killed himself just last year, being a long term sufferer of bipolar disorder... he said "I am the victim of my own moods, more than most people are perhaps, in as much as I have a condition which requires me to take medication so that I don't get either too hyper or too depressed to the point of suicide.". This is a medical psychiatric disorder, it is not just to be shot down as someone overreacting or being a coward... this is as real as cancer or any other illness and with the attitude TS has, the world would not care for these people and help find cures, we would just label them all cowards and drink beer.

[haverespect]

And I believe you to be a moron for making such a statement. Infact, I'm hard pressed to think of an act that takes more balls and mental fortitude than committing suicide does. Furthermore, I find it rather hysterical that people like yourself who verbally attack a defenseless deceased person by labelling them cowardly would have the audacity to label anyone but themselves a coward.

Well said, I hope the ts never goes through such horrendous depression, cowardly no, desperate yes, one of the most brave acts one could commit, sometimes being brave isn't enough even for a true warrior