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  • MrFactor
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    The more Bernard Hopkins beats up on young prime guys at 175, the more legit he makes the Calzaghe win for Calzaghe. Everyone says that Calzaghe beat a well past it Hopkins and its really starting to look like Hopkins is still very good. Hopkins was just a young 43 years old at the time. Maybe Calzaghe was really very good. Something to think about...

    Antonio Tarver ruined Roy Jones Jr. Tarver was the 1st decent fighter Jones fought with a height and reach advantage. Jones was very uncomfortable because he was getting hit on his way out and cornered. No weight drain, issues. PUNCH issues. Tarver was hitting him where he normally didnt get hit in the 1st fight. The second fight, he got caught with a huge shot on his way out of a corner. When fighting smaller guys, the Jones trick works. Fighting a big southpaw who is gonna swing even if he hits air, cost him. He was/is gun shy ever since. Probably should have retired after the 1st fight. His legacy is shot.

    Mayweather also has matchup issues with guys who are bigger than him, who can touch him on his way out. He's actually smart enough not to have made those matches. Margarito and Williams come to mind. He took the DLH fight for the $$ aspect. He lost rounds when Oscar used his reach with jabs and straights. Oscar could hit Mayweather at range. In the Alvarez fight, Floyd has a significant reach advantage. THATS why the fight got made. What Floyd is banking on is that Alvarez is slow and can be outworked at range for 12 rounds. He may have miscalculated, like many did with the Trout fight for Canelo. Canelo is deceptively fast. That speed also has teeth. Dont be shocked if Mayweather sees canvas and/or gets stopped. Trout was bigger and stronger(allegedly) and couldnt avaiod those deceptively fast return fire punches.

    The Klit brothers are top 5 all time heavyweights. They beat a who's who of the division today. Of course the boo birds will come out and say the division aint **** now. Kinda tough to tell because the Klits have so dominated the era. Nobody has emerged because they've been beaten back so badly. If the Klits werent there, we'd posibly get some decent fights between decent fighters. The 90's heavyweights, Ray Mercer, Morrison, Holy, Tyson, Moorer, Foreman, Lewis, Bowe were good fighters. With the exception of Lewis and Bowe, the Klits dominate the rest of the division similarly to their dominance today. Same with the 80's and 70's. It will be 20 years down the line when we appreciate these guys for their skills and dominance.

    BRONER(AKA Mayweather Jr Jr) will not eclipse Mayweather. He will not be given the free passes that Mayweather got coming up. He will have to fight the best guys at 147 and quickly because people have already seen his show and didn't really like it the 1st time around with his daddy. In actually fighting the best, he will get clipped. Its inevitable. You know the saying, "Fool me once..." The world will not empty their pockets for a clone of a guy.
  • thuggery
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    #2
    True, Calzaghe's dominant win over BPoop is legendary.

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    • Slyboots
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      #3
      These and indeed random, yet very insightful thoughts. Nice read, green k.

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      • LHRH89
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        #4
        good stuff man.

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        • UTEP
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          #5
          Originally posted by MrFactor
          The more Bernard Hopkins beats up on young prime guys at 175, the more legit he makes the Calzaghe win for Calzaghe. Everyone says that Calzaghe beat a well past it Hopkins and its really starting to look like Hopkins is still very good. Hopkins was just a young 43 years old at the time. Maybe Calzaghe was really very good. Something to think about...

          There's no maybe about it, Cazaghe's a legend. The Hopkins "I'll never let a white boy beat me" rant was very disrespectful and Joe had a whole race of people on his side that night. The result was Hopkins losing and getting the most punches landed on him ever in his whole career, Karma's a b1tch.


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          • daggum
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            random replies...calzaghe clearly lost to hopkins. he was outlanded by a wide margin(fact, no need to use debunked compubox) and dominated in clean punching and defense. he won the punching air and ineffective aggression categories though. jermain taylor also "beat" hopkins in a fight that was much closer than the calzaghe one so he's also very great?

            the klit brothers are two different people. all time great heavyweights don't dominate a division with some other guy in it that they never fight.
            Last edited by daggum; 06-18-2013, 11:56 PM.

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            • MrFactor
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              Originally posted by daggum
              random replies...calzaghe clearly lost to hopkins. he was outlanded by a wide margin(fact, no need to use debunked compubox) and dominated in clean punching and defense. he won the punching air and ineffective aggression categories though. jermain taylor also "beat" hopkins in a fight that was much closer than the calzaghe one so he's also very great?

              the klit brothers are two different people. all time great heavyweights don't dominate a division with some other guy in it that they never fight.
              Thats a great point in that they are 2 people. Not being funny, either. Both should b judged on their merits individually. I think both of them have figured out how to use their height and reach advantages to the point that no one can touch them. I think these guys along with Lennox Lewis may be the best heavyweights we've seen. Once these guys hit their stride, nobody can get close enough to hit them. That includes dream match ups against past greats. Height and reach mean something if used properly. These guys do just that.

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